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Re:Evolution of <img>: Gif without the GIF by jessriedel on Monday December 04, 2017 @12:24PM (#15845558)
Hey thanks, this is super useful! I still don't quite get it though. I understand that converting huge HD GIFs to a standard video format allows steaming and better compression, but why encourage people to upload it like this rather than just upload videos?

The only explanation in the post is "the culture of the GIF now trumps the file format. With Project GIFV, Imgur is reimagining the looping GIF video with all the richness it deserves as a key piece of Internet culture." Is the idea just that people want soundless looping HD video, and they're accustomed to uploading GIFs, so Imgur is going to accommodate them by doing the conversions server-side?

I guess this is an explanation, but it's a surprising one. For instance, it doesn't really fit well with the observation that people uploaded GIFs of content that was obviously native video and not connected to internet GIF culture, e.g., sports videos.

Re:Evolution of <img>: Gif without the GIF by Strom on Monday December 04, 2017 @12:36PM (#15845672)
Yes it's all about no sound. Everyone likes opening up a bunch of tabs that include auto-playing funny looping videos, but nobody likes auto-playing sound, especially if it overlaps with some other sound.
Re:Evolution of <img>: Gif without the GIF by dspillett on Monday December 04, 2017 @12:53PM (#15845873)
I'm not sure if it is Chrome's doing or YouTube's, but if I open a couple of youtube links in tabs (a selection from the "related" list to the right of one I'm currently watching for instance) the clips in the new tabs don't start playing until that tab gains focus. This avoids the auto-playing sound overlapping problem and means you don't miss the start of the clip and drop in part way through. Surely this is the solution to that selection of requirements?
Re:Evolution of <img>: Gif without the GIF by Strom on Monday December 04, 2017 @01:40PM (#15846297)
I've noticed the Chrome feature as well. I watch a lot of Twitch streams, and it causes a frustrating experience, albeit with possible workarounds by Twitch. It's that Twitch is about live streams and live chat, but now the video autoplay is delayed until I activate the tab, but chat is still live from the moment I clicked on the link. It basically buffers the stream now, but makes me go out of sync with chat. One alleviator could be Twitch adding a "go live" button that shows up when I'm not live.

There are still two classes of problems unaffected by this change.

1) As is popular with gifs, there could very well be multiple of these autoplaying videos on the same page, probably even multiple fitting in the same viewport area. If they had sound, these would interfere with eachother.

2) My understanding is that many listen to music from some source unrelated to the webpage containing these autoplaying videos. So even if there's only one video, its autoplaying sound could easily mix with my tunes.

Doing autoplaying sound is hard, but with gaze tracking and knowledge of system sound usage status, I think a pretty good solution is possible.

Re:Evolution of <img>: Gif without the GIF by setzer22 on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @03:19AM (#15850535)
That is not an (at least exclusive?) chrome feature, since it happens on Firefox as well.
Re:Evolution of <img>: Gif without the GIF by _lce0 on Monday December 04, 2017 @01:52PM (#15846392)
Also volume control on mobile is completely broken.

You cannot easily control the volume until the video starts playing; not even when the video is still loading.

https://xkcd.com/1884/

Re:Evolution of <img>: Gif without the GIF by jessriedel on Monday December 04, 2017 @02:06PM (#15846492)
Yea, it is such weird behavior. I can count the number of times I've ever wanted to adjust the volume of the ringer, rather than just turn it on/off, on one hand.

Luckily on newer version of Android there is always an option to quickly access the media volume after you press the volume button once, but it's still unintuitive.

Re:Evolution of <img>: Gif without the GIF by mtpn on Monday December 04, 2017 @09:33PM (#15849320)
Windows phone nailed this. As you change volume, a panel comes in with two sliders: one media, one ringer, so if you were in the wrong context and changed the wrong volume, you right away have access to the other one. I find (on iOS now) I fiddle with the ringer volume a lot throughout the day. Loudest possible is waaaay too loud for me, unless I’m in a noisy place.
Re:Evolution of <img>: Gif without the GIF by pflats on Monday December 04, 2017 @07:29PM (#15848833)
Good news: iOS changed the default behavior of the side buttons: they always control system/media volume now. (Unless you flip a switch in settings.)