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Re:The destruction of graduate education in the United States by philwelch on Saturday December 02, 2017 @05:11PM (#15834452)
There’s also a massive grad student bubble; for each hundred grad students who earn a Ph.D. that only qualifies them to become a professor, there’s maybe one tenure track professorship. This directly leads to exploitative situations—for example, the surplus of people with postgraduate degrees allows universities to hire adjuncts to teach undergrads at subsistence wages or worse. If you’re not going to establish lots of new national laboratories to soak up that excess talent, the least you can do is stop producing that surplus.
Re:The destruction of graduate education in the United States by _Wintermute on Saturday December 02, 2017 @05:30PM (#15834552)
People seem to forget this, but there are jobs outside of academia.
Re:The destruction of graduate education in the United States by gajjanag on Saturday December 02, 2017 @10:35PM (#15835814)
The vast majority of which don't need, and hence don't effectively utilize a Ph.D.

Most of those jobs can be performed as well, if not better, by people with an undergrad degree, possibly with a master's tacked on + equiv number of years on the job for experience as opposed to the Ph.D.

Re:The destruction of graduate education in the United States by chesimov on Saturday December 02, 2017 @05:52PM (#15834682)
This would depend on the field, right? Ie in some fields are there possibly more jobs outside of academia (than within) that require a PhD, alleviating the pressure to progress from PhD->Prof?
Re:The destruction of graduate education in the United States by philwelch on Saturday December 02, 2017 @07:13PM (#15835159)
There are few jobs outside of academia where postgraduate degrees in liberal arts are a meaningful qualification. STEM can be hit or miss—a physics or math Ph.D. may be highly employable, but not especially more than someone with similar talent and ambition who invested their time in more marketable experience.

If I were the federal budget czar, I would literally pump tens to hundreds of billions of dollars into opening national labs and hiring these STEM postgrads to do basic research. Figuring out how to efficiently produce something like high-temperature superconductors, carbon nanotubes, fusion power, carbon sequestration, gene therapy, etc. would solve some very fundamental problems, likely produce a huge return on investment, and gainfully employ thousands of highly educated people who are woefully underutilized. Even less outwardly ambitious research can produce value: look at what happened when the federal government wanted to build a more resilient computer network for DARPA.

But I’m not that czar, and I think subsidizing people into career dead ends is something we could stand to do less of.

Re:The destruction of graduate education in the United States by wyclif on Saturday December 02, 2017 @08:00PM (#15835346)
In STEM (perhaps!) but not in the humanities.