GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities in 2019

Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by CaveTech on Friday December 01, 2017 @11:38AM (#15824967)

While the tech and features are pretty great, I think many disagree with it looking slick. I'm in the market right now, but I could never see myself driving a Bolt. I'm stuck waiting several years for a model 3 to get an EV with actual aesthetics (that isn't 100k+).

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by mikestew on Friday December 01, 2017 @01:00PM (#15825748)

I'm stuck waiting several years for a model 3 to get an EV with actual aesthetics (that isn't 100k+).

The aesthetics that say, "I entered 'generic electric vehicle' on iStockPhoto, and this is what I got."? I own lots of TSLA, I'd even consider buying a Tesla when the Leaf dies, but that purchase would be despite the aesthetics of any Tesla, not because of.

But to each their own. As long as what's available today isn't the aesthetic equivalent of the Pontiac Aztek, I wouldn't put off a purchase for several years just for looks. Though I also own a Leaf and an original body style Scion xB, and I'm sad that the Honda Element is no longer made. Do not look to me for fashion advice.

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by jhall1468 on Friday December 01, 2017 @07:52PM (#15829278)

I'll take the iStockPhoto over a rounded off Ford Festiva any day of the week.

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by pen2l on Friday December 01, 2017 @12:23PM (#15825413)

I honestly really like Bolt's look, and not because it "stands out" as being electric. I like crossovers (Prius, Impreza, etc.) and I think this one has great aesthetics. I like model 3 less, but that's just me.

Different strokes for different folks hey.

(but I will concede on one thing if we're talking about pure aesthetics: Tesla's "T" logo is really cool, Chevrolet's "+" is anything but. I honestly think they should change the logo. As established as that brand and logo may be, they should be targeting the newer generation... "Chevrolet" definitely does not scream cool to anyone born in the last 40 years)

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by JBlue42 on Friday December 01, 2017 @02:34PM (#15826601)

Cross-overs are pretty popular. There was an article not too long ago about how they pretty much all blend in together.

The Bolt looks more like European cars than what we imagine 'American' cars looking like (though that has changed over the decades). We'll see many more like it as more people move to cities but still need cars.

Yeah, Chevy doesn't scream cool. I've had an Acura since 2003 and knock on wood will drive it until it's dead. I wouldn't put as much stock in an American-made car to last as long.

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by vinay427 on Saturday December 02, 2017 @11:46PM (#15836008)

I believe you mean hatchbacks or wagons (for some generations of the Impreza), not crossovers.

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by evo_9 on Friday December 01, 2017 @01:52PM (#15826201)

I recently bought a 2017 BMW i3 and love it. It's about 55k loaded up and pretty fun/quick compared to most EV's, and I love the styling.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/bmw/i3/2017/2017-bmw-i3-range...

Also used models in Denver are selling for 25k or less; might be the best deal in EV's right now.

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by reaperducer on Friday December 01, 2017 @06:26PM (#15828695)

As said by someone else, to each his own. But a friend of mine has an i3 and every time I ride in it, I'm underwhelmed.

It's like if IKEA designed a car. If I'm riding in a BMW, I expect a certain amount of luxury, not bamboo and vast open spaces where the dashboard should be.

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by ams6110 on Friday December 01, 2017 @11:45AM (#15825028)

I agree and disagree. I don't think the Bolt looks much worse than any other contemporary small car. The new Prius is worse IMO. The Leaf and the i3 are likewise ugly.

I agree the Model 3 looks better than any of them.

Edit: I will say I like the look of the Ford Focus EV much better than the Bolt, it's quite a bit cheaper, and I like Ford better as a company, but the Focus EV has only about half the range of the Bolt.

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by digikata on Friday December 01, 2017 @03:54PM (#15827358)

My aesthetics seem to match yours. I do like the look of the latest Volt update - much better design direction then the new Prius.

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by rhino369 on Friday December 01, 2017 @02:42PM (#15826677)

Model 3 is pretty stylish on the outside, but the interior is garbage for a 30k car. Bolt's isn't good either.

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by toomuchtodo on Friday December 01, 2017 @01:16PM (#15825871)

You can get a used Model S with 20k-40k miles on it with a 4 year 50k mile warranty for ~$55k straight from Tesla, no need to spend $100k.

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by madengr on Friday December 01, 2017 @01:33PM (#15826034)

No need to spend $55k. I bought a 2015 Leaf with 19k miles for $8.5k. Of course it dos not look good like a Tesla, but if you want to get your feet wet with EV driving, it's a steal.

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by toomuchtodo on Friday December 01, 2017 @01:47PM (#15826146)

I travel frequently across the US, and require the Supercharger network (which is why I went with a Model S over a Leaf), but as you mentioned, you can get a Leaf at golf cart prices. You can also get a top notch used Model S for a bit more than you'd spend for a long range Model 3 (which includes free supercharger access) if you don't want to wait 2 years for it.

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by King-Aaron on Sunday December 03, 2017 @10:07PM (#15841201)

> No need to spend $55k. I bought a 2015 Leaf

While I see what you mean, this comparison isn't all that dissimilar to saying "No need to buy a 5 series BMW, you can get a Nissan Micra for less!"

I wouldn't imagine that a person looking to buy a large, fast sedan that can get from 0-100kph in under a handful of seconds is going to consider a small runabout in the same decision making process...

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by threeseed on Friday December 01, 2017 @04:16PM (#15827565)

I assume you're only talking about exterior aesthetics.

Because the interiors of Tesla cars are extremely poor compared to even the lowest end cars. Poor quality, cheap looking plastics and leathers. And the large screen looks tacky and easy to date.

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Re:GM says it will put fleets of self-driving cars in cities... by zodPod on Friday December 01, 2017 @05:43PM (#15828394)

Yes, seriously, ew. It looks awful.

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