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Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by jeffwass on Monday November 27, 2017 @10:47AM (#15788182)
You have great advice with the benefit of hindsight.

So what's your suggestion for the "obvious" investment today?

Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by 3pt14159 on Monday November 27, 2017 @11:19AM (#15788448)
I've been commenting on here for almost 10 years. I've been wrong sometimes, but I've called a lot right (from Tesla, Apple, Facebook, Bitcoin, AI).

Next decade is going to be cyber security and a word that I doesn't exist yet that I think of as "personification" of the internet. Combination of webs of trust and machine learning to both shape tastes and politics and harden networks from their shaping. Also, I think there is a pretty good chance that biology takes off, starting with GATACA or something like it for dogs. People want old scratch to live forever and not get hip dysplasia, and once old doggo is doing fine with Gene Drive then we're not going to be far off. Also, people are much more comfortable thinking with graphs of data. Think about tying together graphs that we can use to make predictions and watch companies like meta.com (bought by Zuck, that guy is a genius) and researchgate.net.

Also get ready for mass protests and "eat the rich" politics. Especially in America where the poor are poorly educated and the political system is corrupt enough to be evil enough to not support the poor, but not corrupt enough to collapse the private sector.

Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by noetic_techy on Monday November 27, 2017 @05:42PM (#15792322)
--> Combination of webs of trust and machine learning to both shape tastes and politics and harden networks from their shaping.

Can you elaborate on this with an example of a future scenario? Thinking about this is throwing me for a loop. Are you talking about some deeper level of web curation not yet achieved? People ever more entrenched in their own AI curated "bubbles"? "Harden networks from their shaping" Qwut?

Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by 3pt14159 on Monday November 27, 2017 @08:14PM (#15793413)
Imagine social networks where you couldn't just make 100 bots. Through some low friction mechanism the people that you trusted most would be identified to you as such and by extension the people they most trusted would be visually indicated to you. Settings would allow you to completely filter out people that aren't within a certain degree of trust.

Right now adversaries attempt to warp what people believe by pushing them to make connections to more extreme elements, this would be less possible if the social network were built in such a way that would expose fake or low trust profiles.

The web of trust would resemble Page Rank, more than modern day Facebook. For example, Bill Kristol may be trusted by people like Ezra Klein to such a high degree as to not just bring him within your bubble, but to be part of a social network feed that would provide a blend of opinions.

I'm not saying this is easy to get right, but it's necessary if we want to have open platforms like Twitter to survive gamification by nation-states and brand marketers.

Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by davidivadavid on Monday November 27, 2017 @11:06PM (#15794287)
I've had thoughts in that vein for a while, do you know of anyone/any company exploring them?
Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by 3pt14159 on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @07:05PM (#15803271)
None that are out of stealth mode. Also, nothing that I could personally recommend at this point.
Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by blahshaw on Monday November 27, 2017 @01:42PM (#15789878)
I think cyber security is going to be huge too, but not sure how to make a play on it, don't see any obvious winners in the security space. What approach do you take?
Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by 3pt14159 on Monday November 27, 2017 @02:09PM (#15790181)
If you're not in the position to angel invest I don't have anything top of mind to share. I think most of the stock market is overpriced, but Facebook is still probably a reasonable bet.

If I knew the next Bitcoin I'd definitely have typed it out. Sometimes the answer is to just wait and see and let your thoughts kinda work through things. What I know for sure is that there are a lot of powerful people that found out how important cyber security is in the past couple years. Snowden, Clinton, Paradise Papers. The market will do its best to try to meet this need.

Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by blahshaw on Monday November 27, 2017 @02:40PM (#15790462)
And if I were in a position to angel invest?
Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by 3pt14159 on Monday November 27, 2017 @04:33PM (#15791652)
My email is in my profile.
Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by czbond on Thursday November 30, 2017 @10:57AM (#15816712)
From a work perspective, I recall reading that in the next 10 years, 6 of 10 people on a development team will be security related. [Looked for the source, can't find it, due your own diligence]. 1.8 Million security jobs vacant by 2022. https://venturebeat.com/2017/06/07/global-cybersecurity-work...

The need for very seasoned professionals who have BOTH security and heavy development/business/architecture backgrounds will be a scarce thing.

Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by beambot on Monday November 27, 2017 @12:51PM (#15789316)
So... Which investments specifically?
Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by Spooky23 on Monday November 27, 2017 @10:59AM (#15788291)
Look at sectors that benefit from the political environment.

Things like pharmaceuticals with ok pipelines, good companies in shitty sectors (say a company like Costco in retail), health insurers and companies like McDonald's that do well when the rest of the world does not. Think about smaller players who benefit from net neutrality going away.

You should have a running list of good companies and invest as you see corrections or downturns.

Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by mdorazio on Monday November 27, 2017 @11:08AM (#15788362)
This is not at all like what the parent post implied. You're basically saying to pick sectors/companies that will net a slightly better than market rate of return on average. Which is great. However, this is very far from a 10000x return on true outliers, long shots, and market bubbles.
Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by Spooky23 on Monday November 27, 2017 @05:12PM (#15792054)
I think he was taking some license.

Knowing your shit and having liquid cash is key to those opportunities. My play portfolio made a 10x return after the financial crisis because of knowing key sectors and having cash.

Likewise, I had a nice bitcoin hit that could have been a 1000x play, but to be honest I got out to buy a car, which in retrospect was a very dumb decision!

Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by sjg007 on Monday November 27, 2017 @07:23PM (#15793120)
Reminds me of the HN guy who sold his sun stock to by a car..
Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by Procrastes on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @12:35AM (#15794698)
By the time I had Sun stock, I would have had to pay someone to take it. Still loved working there.

I cashed out a bunch of bitcoin for what I thought was going to be a near peak price at the time, $800. Fortunately, I never agree with myself completely, so I saved a few for the long run. Thinking back, I can't really say I would do anything differently with the information I had at the time.

Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by vostok on Monday November 27, 2017 @11:53AM (#15788735)
Not that it matters, but 100000% is 1000x.

This isn't investment advice. I think the idea is that you'll have some investments that yield 1000x and some that yield 0x so you'll average out to something that's better than the market, but not 1000x.

Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by mdorazio on Monday November 27, 2017 @02:02PM (#15790106)
I agree. However, the original question was more like, "if it's easy to see what will yield a huge return, what should I invest in today to get that return?" To me, it's pretty clear that investments yielding huge returns are only obvious in hindsight, and even an astute tech-savvy investor will, on average, only do slightly better than a normal diversified portfolio.
Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by Spooky23 on Monday November 27, 2017 @07:28PM (#15793145)
Those two statements don’t jive. It’s not impossible to trade hours for a return significantly better than a normal diversified portfolio, but less than being an early bitcoin miner.
Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by eldavido on Monday November 27, 2017 @10:33PM (#15794090)
It's important to realize the global macro environment is pushing up prices of everything: houses, stocks, just, all of it.

I'll admit I'm surprised by Bitcoin, I actively avoided it thinking it would crash long before now. But I wouldn't treat the past five years as anything remotely "normal". We're in one of the longest bull markets the US has ever seen and there are a lot of macro forces that will eventually end it, e.g. boomer retirement, student loan debt overhang, pension obligations. I was just reading some of Dalio's daily observations on some of this, they're quite good.

Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by mdorazio on Monday November 27, 2017 @08:02PM (#15793353)
No, but it is unlikely. Hence the "average" part. Also, if we're talking about trading hours we're effectively talking about working rather than investing. Of course you can make more than a market return if you spend your free time consulting on the side, for example, but that's not really comparable to spending 5 minutes buying bitcoin or Tesla stock in 2011.
Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by TimPC on Monday November 27, 2017 @07:30PM (#15793159)
Your instincts about pharma may be badly wrong. Many hackers are shocked that pharma stocks generally go up when they downsize in research -- it seems wrong to our builder instinct but it makes sense in terms of short-term opportunity.
Re:Stanford CS007: Personal Finance For Engineers by whataretensors on Monday November 27, 2017 @12:32PM (#15789132)
Invest in self driving startups. Oh wait you can't, thanks SEC.