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Re:The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggag... by owebmaster on Thursday November 23, 2017 @07:40AM (#15764625)
What is the problem with strong, dominant and successful men? Or boys aiming to become one and live an oustanding life?

All my friends since childhood wanted to rule the world if they could, but too much television turned them into spending-machines (and readers of bad articles).

Re:The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggag... by ajurna on Thursday November 23, 2017 @08:02AM (#15764734)
Nothing wrong with being strong, successful and dominant, right up until you cant take the pressure. Then you are too strong, dominant and successful to ask for help.

what does it mean to be strong? is it without weakness? or the strength to acknowledge that weakness. If you're so strong you never cry is that really strength?

being dominant sounds like a good idea but once you think about it, it seems a bit absurd. everything humans do well we do as a team. being dominant only means you can be in charge of a team and not a supporting part.

and lastly success. What is success? is it just money? that's hardly a good measure. is it to be happy? and if that comes at the expense of not being "strong and dominant" then what have you left?

You're describing a fantasy, an archetype and it does you and men in general no favours by striving to be something so ephemeral. In the end you will always fail and then where are you?

Re:The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggag... by owebmaster on Thursday November 23, 2017 @08:14AM (#15764796)
> what does it mean to be strong? is it without weakness? or the strength to acknowledge that weakness. If you're so strong you never cry is that really strength?

To be strong is to know that society will pull you down if you don't react with the same or more strength. I'm talking about men that don't have rich and/or protective parents, which is most of us, afaik.

> being dominant sounds like a good idea but once you think about it, it seems a bit absurd. everything humans do well we do as a team. being dominant only means you can be in charge of a team and not a supporting part.

There is so many roles in society still to be fulfilled. Social dynamics are this: dynamic. Someone might be in charge of one interaction but play a supporting part in another. I don't see any incongruence on this.

> and lastly success. What is success? is it just money? that's hardly a good measure. is it to be happy? and if that comes at the expense of not being "strong and dominant" then what have you left?

There is no need to fix the discussion around the 3 adjectives used in the article, but does it really make sense to question that men want to be successful? Not even this can be just simple acknowledged?

> You're describing a fantasy, an archetype and it does you and men in general no favours by striving to be something so ephemeral.

The article described. I just asked why not?

Re:The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggag... by an_d_rew on Thursday November 23, 2017 @10:30AM (#15765589)
Well said!
Re:The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggag... by an_d_rew on Thursday November 23, 2017 @01:19PM (#15766857)
Oops - my bad - forgot about "comment reodering"...

My "Well said!" comment was in reply and approving of the following observation by 'ajurna':

> Nothing wrong with being strong, successful and dominant, right up until you cant take the pressure. Then you are too strong, dominant and successful to ask for help.

I was not responding to 'owebmaster'.

Sorry for the confusion, for anyone who knows me!

Re:The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggag... by Double_a_92 on Thursday November 23, 2017 @07:46AM (#15764655)
They would be more "successful" than women... We can't allow that to happen. So let's cripple anyone instead. /s
Re:The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggag... by megaman22 on Thursday November 23, 2017 @07:55AM (#15764700)
Harrison Bergeron is rapidly becoming reality. Rather than worship success, we're all a big bucket of crabs.
Re:The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggag... by beaconstudios on Thursday November 23, 2017 @10:21AM (#15765537)
just read the synopsis of the book on wikipedia - very pointed and more than a little harrowing.
Re:The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggag... by owebmaster on Thursday November 23, 2017 @07:49AM (#15764665)
We men have genetically more drive and NEED to be successful than women. We needed it to survive and we are the genes that survived. Ask a man to not live up for this way is the same as to ask a woman to never conceive a child.
Re:The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggag... by eigenstuff on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:31PM (#15766551)
As a woman who is never having children because they'd get in the way of my career, thanks for the laugh.
Re:The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggag... by Double_a_92 on Friday November 24, 2017 @01:59AM (#15769846)
How to fail in the game of evolution...
Re:The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggag... by louisswiss on Thursday November 23, 2017 @11:44AM (#15766171)
Sources/evidence for this...?
Re:The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggag... by Chris2048 on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @07:48AM (#15796719)
I might claim 12334 + 21323 = 33657

What sources might I provide?

Re:The 'masculine mystique' – why men can't ditch the baggag... by owebmaster on Thursday November 23, 2017 @03:40PM (#15767664)
Do you have a basic understanding of how conception works? It is needed to understand why men must proactively find a partner to copulate. The ones that don't have the minimum capacity to succeed at this are eliminated. And this proccess is still running.