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Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by visarga on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:21AM (#15762980)
Your solution needs to be refreshed with each election, we need a permanent solution that won't be reversed 2 years later.
Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by aaronbrethorst on Thursday November 23, 2017 @02:09AM (#15763382)
Step 1: Try to convince the FCC to not vote to kill NN.

Step 2: Call your members of Congress and tell them to enshrine NN into law.

Step 3: Vote your Rep out next year if they refuse to do what you ask for.

Step 4: Vote out the President in 2020 if he vetoes NN.

Pretty straightforward, imho.

Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by ikurei on Thursday November 23, 2017 @04:28AM (#15763934)
I don't see how that's straightforward, especially numbers 3 and 4. Are you gonna vote out the president just for NN? Even if you don't think the other guy is gonna be much different in that regard?

Americans cast one single vote (in presidential elections) for one of two candidates, on a myriad of issues of every level of seriousness. Leaving aside the fight to convince a majority of americans, just deciding to vote against someone for NN is anything but straightforward.

I don't see why the criticisms on the idea discussed in the article. We can try both routes, give them all the flak we can for this and also try alternative paths to NN. This is an extremely uphill battle, we should be looking for every remotely-viable path.

Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by int_19h on Thursday November 23, 2017 @06:01AM (#15764292)
One reason to raise stink now is to make it clear to any candidates for 2018 and 2020 elections that this is an issue to which they can pander for the sake of good PR and votes. That applies also (and, perhaps, especially) to the primaries.
Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by sundaeofshock on Thursday November 23, 2017 @09:05AM (#15765106)
This Congress has been trying to gut healthcare and is about to pass an extremely destructive and unpopular tax “reform” bill. It is obvious they don’t care about popular opinion or even their chances for re-election.
Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by int_19h on Friday November 24, 2017 @02:43AM (#15769961)
The vast majority of Congressional districts in US are non-competitive. This means that what matters in those is the primary, not the general election. So if you're a liberal in a solid red district, threatening your Republican elected representative probably won't do much good (unless it's a swing district - those guys actually listen to some extent, especially now that Dems won a bunch of special elections in the suburbs, and there's talk of a wave next year).

But if you're a liberal in a blue district, then you should write your rep and let them know that 1) you will vote in the primary, and 2) having a firm public position on this issue will be your litmus test for who gets your vote.

Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by aaronbrethorst on Thursday November 23, 2017 @05:48PM (#15768329)
They care very deeply about reelection. In order to get reelected, they need money and to survive a primary.

They won't get money from their big $$$ donors if they don't pass the tax cut bill. They won't survive a primary if they're seen as being 'soft' on the ACA by the true believers in their party.

They don't have any idea how they're going to make it through the general election, but that's a fight for another day. They have other priorities first.

Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by sundaeofshock on Thursday November 23, 2017 @09:33PM (#15769096)
They also have to make it past the general election. GOP House members in blue states voting for the tax bill are basically acknowledging they don’t care about re-election. I suspect they hope to get a good job with their donors in exchange for committing political suicide.

I think the GOP knows they are going to get one bite at this apple, and they are taking advantage of it. Hello tax reform and good bye NN.

Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by int_19h on Friday November 24, 2017 @02:52AM (#15769987)
Just because it's a blue state, doesn't mean that it doesn't have red districts. Washington and Oregon are pretty damn blue, but it's because the western parts are ultra-blue. Eastern ones are very conservative in comparison, though. So their representatives very much care about re-election - which is why they're voting for, and very visibly supporting, the Republican agenda, because that's what their electorate demands of them.

The ones that are on shaky ground are those in areas that previously voted Republican primarily for economic rather than social reasons (i.e. for the sake of low taxes, not because they wanted to ban abortion etc), and are now flipping to blue because Republican social policies became intolerable. This is many suburban districts. And Republicans there are listening; for example, in my district (WA-8), Dave Reichert voted against AHCA.

The catch is, Republicans in those districts know that even if they pander to the new electorate somewhat, there are still enough reasons why their Democrat opponent will likely get their vote. They'd basically need to be liberal on everything except taxes (and given the nature of the tax proposal that Republicans unveiled, not even on that, since it hurts the suburban mid/high-middle class dwellers most!), at which point they might as well just switch parties. So you see a bunch of guys saying they won't run for re-election at all, and then they treat their remaining term as a means to squeeze the few last things in while they can.

Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by aaronbrethorst on Friday November 24, 2017 @03:55AM (#15770170)
How're you feeling about the choice of (someone) vs. Rossi, out of curiosity? (also, I see we have a bunch of shared connections on LinkedIn. I'm ex-Visual Studio.)
Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by int_19h on Friday November 24, 2017 @06:49AM (#15770605)
It depends on who that someone will be, of course, but I'm feeling rather optimistic - our district went for Clinton by 3 points, and I think by 2018 any Republican candidate won't be able to clearly distance themselves away from Trump and the federal GOP platform. Reichert had the benefit of being the incumbent, and being a fairly moderate Republican (or rather a very pragmatic one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIlizXcKVLY).

If you mean who I'd vote for, it would be the Dem candidate, no question. The parties are far enough now that I don't foresee a situation where a Republican candidate would be more closely aligned with me on the issues than a Democrat, even a particularly disagreeable one. But, more importantly and urgently, I think that this administration must have some counterbalance in the Congress to check it. But this is a moot question, anyway, because I'm not a citizen and cannot vote.

Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by aaronbrethorst on Friday November 24, 2017 @12:48PM (#15772016)
I meant the former, but I appreciate the answers to both.
Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by aaronbrethorst on Thursday November 23, 2017 @05:21PM (#15768197)
Getting my elected officials to do stuff I want is hard. I guess I'll go build an autonomous vehicle instead.

Millions of people who are registered to vote simply didn't turn out last November because they thought their vote wouldn't matter, that the candidates would be about the same, or...who knows what else. If just a few tens of thousands of them happened to have voted for Clinton last November, we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now.

And for the record, I think the President should be voted out for a couple dozen things, one of which is NN.

Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by zaarn on Thursday November 23, 2017 @03:15AM (#15763638)
Simple solution from the FCC; they'll outdate the outrage.

Simply make some rule that to the average person looks like Net-Neutrality but in reality isn't. Or go only half way.

And with that all the average people will simply tell you "but they did bring back net neutrality!" and you'll have to update the outrage.

It's a much more efficient way to deal with outrage, currently employed by EA.

Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by imglorp on Thursday November 23, 2017 @02:20AM (#15763438)
Trouble is, Ajit gets up there and talks about competition being good for the consumer, and then all the rightwingers echo that "Bigly". As wrong as this is, it will be hard to vote someone out if the facts are muddled.
Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by tbabb on Thursday November 23, 2017 @02:30AM (#15763476)
I think this can easily be made a bipartisan issue, in that it's the common man vs. big, rich, controlling corporations. If I were the telecoms (and telecom lackeys), that's the movement I'd be scared of.
Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by aaronbrethorst on Thursday November 23, 2017 @02:45AM (#15763536)
I agree. It's a purely populist play, and we're in a populist mood as a country.
Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by tallanvor on Thursday November 23, 2017 @02:50AM (#15763552)
Yes, and the Republicans conveniently ignore that most consumers in the US have very little choice in ISPs. These days you probably have the option of DSL from your phone company or the offering from your cable company.

Luckily some communities are setting up their own broadband services, but the telecom monopolies are doing their best to make it illegal for communities to do this.

Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by boomboomsubban on Thursday November 23, 2017 @06:19AM (#15764361)
If next year my choice of mai party reps to vote for boths support ending net neutrality, then what? Vote third party and hope a majority of my state has also turned politics into a one issue system?
Re:To Save Net Neutrality, We Must Build Our Own Internet by aaronbrethorst on Thursday November 23, 2017 @05:34PM (#15768257)
It is unlikely that both candidates will be opposed to NN. NN is part of the Democratic Party platform agreed upon at the 2016 Democratic National Convention: page 9 of http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/papers_pdf/117717.pdf

However, there are a few Democrats who have voted against NN in the past, or have indicated that they do not support it.

From this vote in 2016: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2016/roll152.xml

You have:

Jim Costa (CA-16)

Scott Peters (CA-52)

Collin Peterson (MN-07)

Kyrsten Sinema (AZ-09)

Albio Sires (NJ-08)

If you live in their districts, call up their office and tell them that you want them to change their tune on NN. Go to their town halls and tell them there.

There are also four Democratic Senators who listed as being part of 'Team Cable' according to this: https://www.fightforthefuture.org/news/2017-10-04-democrats-...

Again, if you live in their states (MI, MO, MT, or WV) call them up and tell their staffers that you want them to change their mind on NN and tell them why. Go to their town halls and tell them there.

Bemoaning your elected officials' choices without ever trying to influence them will not change anything.