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Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by pjmlp on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @04:11PM (#15751589)
> when the obvious answer is to get an iPhone.

It is only obvious when one enjoys a wealthy life.

There are lots of countries out where people can barely afford something better than a feature phone, and when they do, their hard worked savings are just enough for an Android device.

Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by as1mov on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @04:19PM (#15751658)
It's really humbling to see what people in different living circumstances take for granted. Apparently privacy is the fundamental right only for the people who can afford a $700+ device.
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by heimidal on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @04:27PM (#15751737)
I take your point, but I think it’s important to note that the iPhone SE is half that price. In India, it’s about $309 today.
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by seszett on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @04:35PM (#15751819)
> In India, it’s about $309 today.

So about three times the average monthly wage if the numbers I find are right.

(Sneak edit) Just to write it down another way, that means 25% of the average yearly income. For a phone.

Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by megy on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @05:15PM (#15752116)
So, get one second hand and it will be even cheaper. The point was it is not $700 for security.
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by burntwater on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @06:09PM (#15752539)
The point isn't that it's $700, rather that it's (at least) a month's salary, even used, for someone in a more developing country.
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by literallycancer on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @06:07PM (#15752529)
Ever tried using an old iPhone?
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by kalleboo on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @08:16PM (#15753368)
Ever tried using one of those dirt-cheap Android phones?
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by as1mov on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:45PM (#15754072)
The difference is the a dirt cheap Android phone will cost less than $100 for new unlocked, whereas a dirt cheap iPhone start at about $300.

For $300, you could get a competitevly specced Android phone with great support for AOSP custom roms. Get one of these, flash AOSP without play services and you've got a reasonably privacy-focused phone.

Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by dep_b on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @06:55AM (#15756103)
For US$300 you'll get an iPhone SE that'll outrun a Samsung Galaxy S7 in most benchmarks. What's not competitive about that? Can't expect current flagship performance from a US$300 device.
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by lern_too_spel on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @11:06AM (#15757826)
A cheap Android phone runs circles around the most expensive iPhone in day-to-day tasks. https://youtu.be/qcfqhszn7Bk

This has been the case for many years now. https://youtu.be/hPhkPXVxISY

Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by dep_b on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @12:08PM (#15758395)
So a "cheap" Android phone costing US$500 that came out like yesterday is really good at opening and closing applications. The new benchmark of What Makes A Really Great Phone after It Must Have Slim Bezels wasn't an argument anymore.
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by lern_too_spel on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @06:02PM (#15761452)
> So a "cheap" Android phone costing US$500 that came out like yesterday

See the second video, which shows a $300 phone of the previous generation beating an iPhone of the latest generation at the time that cost twice as much. I couldn't find a head to head comparison of the iPhone X against a cheap Android of the previous generation, but I expect the outcome to be the same.

> is really good at opening and closing applications.

The video doesn't show speed of closing applications. Opening communication applications is 90% of what users wait for when using a phone, and Android users wait less.

Your artificial benchmarks that measure gaming performance aren't much use to the 99% of users who use their phones more for productivity than for AAA games.

Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by dep_b on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @08:40PM (#15762154)
We're measuring performance of computing devices with benchmarks for at least 20 years now. Most of the scenes still do it that way, for example comparing PC performance to Xbox or Playstation. AMD vs Nvidia. Nobody questions that a significant difference in benchmark results means a difference in real life performance.

Except for some people living in the Android world. Why is that?

I think it's a bit like people that are denying climate science. They keep looking for new kinds of benchmarks until they find something that fits their predetermined outcome. Some glacier got longer instead of shorter? and boom see no global warming. Some YouTube dude has a video that makes your phone looks fast? and boom look no further. Benchmarks suck!

Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by lern_too_spel on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @09:26PM (#15762324)
Those benchmarks work ceteris paribus. All else being equal, a faster CPU, faster memory, and faster disk will translate to faster app launch times.

In this case, they don't, as you can see with your own eyes. That's because the platforms are different.

> Some YouTube dude has a video that makes your phone looks fast?

Every single video that shows app launching has the same result. Don't believe them? Try it yourself. If you get a different result and post it to YouTube, all of your fanboy friends will love it, and you'll get some revenue. The rest of us are happy to use the more productive and less expensive phones.

You're like a person who says climate change is due to solar flares but doesn't actually measure the effect of solar flares on climate to realize that there is a huge amount of warming that is not accounted for by that simple analysis.

Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by cmurf on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:19PM (#15754196)
Yes, MotoG3 2015. Best phone I've had so far, all around. $200 is not exactly dirt cheap, but it comes out to $100 a year so far. There is no way an iPhone is going to last me 10 years to match that cost per unit time.

The pisser about it, is Motorola, like so many other companies, abandoned it for major updates. It does ostensibly still get major security updates, but...

Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by Angostura on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @08:07AM (#15756443)
My daughter's on a 4S. Still trucking on.
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by mlindner on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:11PM (#15753926)
I'm on iPhone 5 right now. No problems.
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by jaytaylor on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @06:20PM (#15752640)
@literally: Yes, and with updates they're so slow as to be unusable. Apple also doesn't permit OS downgrades, truly crippling all older iOS devices.
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by Accacin on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @05:42AM (#15755830)
Disproven multiple times.
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by dep_b on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @06:53AM (#15756094)
I don't think there was an upgrade after iOS 7 that really made devices significantly slower. But a lot of people still have an iPhone 4 trauma. The 5S is like 5 years old and still runs iOS 11 very capably

(unless you're one of the unlucky people with whatever type of iPhone for whom iOS 11 still is borked for some reason, still having trouble on one iPhone 6S Plus with that).

Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by firethief on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:58PM (#15754109)
For comparison, you can get an Android in India for $5.
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by piyush_soni on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @09:07AM (#15756837)
Unless it's sarcasm, I don't know which phone you're talking about.
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by Helmet on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @11:20AM (#15757977)
You can get a iPhone SE (essentially a 6S) which is a great phone perfectly capable of running any app for $150.
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by rimliu on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @05:08AM (#15755691)
iPhone != brand new latest model of iPhone