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Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by baxtr on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @02:55PM (#15750998)
True. The big difference between Apple and google is that Apple sells you pricey hardware, that just works. In the case of google they sell you. Thus, but Business Model alone you should not trust google if you care about privacy. It doesn’t make sense for them to stop collecting data points about you.
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:00PM (#15751030)
> Apple and google is that Apple sells you pricey hardware, that just works

Well, pricey hardware, at least.

> In the case of google they sell you

No, they aren't in the slave trade; they sell ad placement, not people.

Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by zitterbewegung on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:03PM (#15751053)
They sell ad placement by observing all of your behaviors and figuring out what you want to do. (Refining the other statement ).
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by stingraycharles on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:29PM (#15751245)
If people were not be there to watch the ads, what would those placements be worth?

It’s not the placement that’s the value that’s being sold, it’s watching the ads that is. So they definitely use your data to sell your attention, which is the currency you’re paying with.

Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:40PM (#15751325)
> It’s not the placement that’s the value that’s being sold

Yes, it is ad placement that is the actual thing being sold. Advertisers hope to get something else out of it (usually sales), but what is actually sold is placement.

> So they definitely use your data to sell your attention, which is the currency you’re paying with.

No, they are selling the placement. The placement is valuable because, in aggregate, there is an expectation that a certain share of the people to whom it is shown will give some attention to it, but the advertiser generally pays by impression, not by seconds viewed × share of viewers attention devoted to the ad during that time.

But, in any case, either selling placement or attention is different than selling the user, which is a flatly inaccurate description used solely because of its emotional charge.

Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by victor106 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:08PM (#15751086)
About Price: the google Pixel phones are not much cheaper than an iPhone. The last I checked Pixel xl 2 was 10% cheaper than an iPhone X
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:10PM (#15751107)
Sure, Google also sells pricey hardware, it's just not their core business.
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by baxtr on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:47PM (#15751373)
What's your hypothesis on why they collect so much data on people?
Re:Google collects cell tower info even if location services... by evanlivingston on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:04PM (#15751060)
During the height of slavery it was widely accepted, culturally and legally, that slaves wern't people. Slavers sold implements of labor, not people.