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Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by philipps on Saturday November 18, 2017 @09:29AM (#15729054)
German here, living in the US. For the first time in 20 years I am seriously considering to move back. There are lots of things I do not like about Germany, but there is a sense of buying into a social contract that I am coming to appreciate more and more. I do not believe that the most knotty problems can be solved by increasing individual freedoms or simply making markets more efficient. They require some form of collective action and solidarity, which seems hard to imagine happening in the current political climate in the US.

[Edit] There is something quite surreal to see a discussion about Germany’s positive image for people my age and above. I couldn’t have imagined this even ten years ago.

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by thekingofh on Saturday November 18, 2017 @09:42AM (#15729101)
Taking away personal freedoms isn’t ever going to be a selling feature of any country. I can think of some good things about Germany, but I wouldn’t be so quick to tout that as one of them.
Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by paulgb on Saturday November 18, 2017 @10:20AM (#15729264)
My interpretation of OP is not that taking away personal freedoms is a feature, but that personal freedom absolutism is a bug.

Giving up some freedom is always a consequence of society: your freedom to swim in a lake is at odds with my freedom to dump sewage there.

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by gumaflux on Saturday November 18, 2017 @10:35AM (#15729342)
Excellent point. Most people don't want to swim in a sewerage. Except of course if someone tells them that vague concepts such as sovereignty is more important than swimming in a lake.
Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by standupstandup on Sunday November 19, 2017 @05:44AM (#15733311)
That seems like a poorly disguised dig at Brexit.

I'd hope that Germany of all countries understands the importance of sovereign democratic government and the harsh conditions people will endure to preserve it.

In fact the behaviour of Germany (and France) in recent times has seriously worsened my perception of these countries. I wouldn't say they're clearly better in my view than the USA, despite Trump.

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by int_19h on Sunday November 19, 2017 @04:24AM (#15733039)
Germany seems to go to some extremes in that regard, though. E.g. I don't see why this kind of censorship is necessary or even desirable for any valid social purpose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTQ1eBiRRRo

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by ant6n on Saturday November 18, 2017 @10:22AM (#15729272)
As a German who lived in Canada for 12 years, and moved back to Berlin for a while, I am not sure I could really live here. You constantly have struggles with a system that has rules which don't make sense. Neoliberalism seems to run deeper all the time, without people seeing it. Everybody seems to constantly try to screw you over, and overall societal trust is not very high. Politicians seem to be completely tone deaf, not understanding people's everyday struggles. Maybe it's a kind of complacency, because deep down Germans feel they're the best somehow, that they've got the best system.

I guess besides the 'system' and the people that form it, Germany is actually very nice.

(And the US is way worse in all these respects anyway)

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by Santosh83 on Saturday November 18, 2017 @10:28AM (#15729308)
You've just described India too. Perhaps different countries are actually more similar than we like to imagine, being made of the same species?

We need to solve our biggest issues at a global level because history shows that even if one country goes from strength to strength, sooner or later its surrounding nations can pull it down. Also usually the rise of one country is upon the ruins (or at least exploitation) of another, or others.

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by philipps on Saturday November 18, 2017 @04:37PM (#15730848)
Where did you end up moving to? Back to Canada? The issues you describe do seem to be increasing everywhere.
Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by libertyEQ on Saturday November 18, 2017 @09:47AM (#15729120)
>They require some form of collective action and solidarity

This is perhaps easier with Germany's population of ~60M vs. the US population of ~300M. I'm much more comfortable with something like this happening at the state level because, for example, I have almost nothing in common with the people of Alabama.

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by eatplayrove on Saturday November 18, 2017 @01:50PM (#15730129)
This is a crazy form of propaganda instilled by both sides of the political spectrum in the US. Germany's population is 82M+, and much more diverse than you think. You think you have nothing in common with someone in Alabama? At least you speak a common language and share a constitutional tradition. German unification was completed 60 years after Alabama was admitted to the union. A Schwäbisch person has as much in common culturally with an Ossie as you do with an Alabamian.

This 300M+ logic is the perfect strawman for people who don't want to solve problems, because the population of the US is only comparable to few countries in population and they are not in a good position...

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by libertyEQ on Saturday November 18, 2017 @03:51PM (#15730617)
>This 300M+ logic is the perfect strawman for people who don't want to solve problems

Within the US, people are able to move across states at will very easily. It is not a "straw man" in that I did not present it as argument being made by someone else. I simply do not believe in centralized power and large homogeneous populations.

I have been to Alabama, and I often can not understand what they are saying whether you believe it or not.

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by JBlue42 on Saturday November 18, 2017 @03:29PM (#15730511)
>This 300M+ logic is the perfect strawman for people who don't want to solve problems, because the population of the US is only comparable to few countries in population and they are not in a good position...

Thank you. I hate when people use this as a former of argument and neglect all the difficult things the country has achieved. It's an excuse for laziness and the status quo.

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by libertyEQ on Sunday November 19, 2017 @01:58AM (#15732661)
> I hate when people use this as a former of argument and neglect all the difficult things the country has achieved.

My point was it is difficult for 300M people to agree on something, and I don't know what you are talking about otherwise.

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by JBlue42 on Sunday November 19, 2017 @02:04AM (#15732677)
It's difficult for two people to agree on something.

See: your thread.

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by rainbowmverse on Saturday November 18, 2017 @09:56AM (#15729154)
State populations are not monoliths. I live in exurban Atlanta. I have more in common with someone in Atlanta than with my neighbors. There are people who want Atlanta to break off from the rest of the state, and people further downriver who don't appreciate that Metro Atlanta has so much control over their water supply.

There's no amount of division that can neatly contain a group's interests. Gerrymandered maps are an extreme example. 60m vs 300m is no more meaningful a distinction than 500k (Atlanta) vs 6m (Atlanta MSA).

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by mercer on Saturday November 18, 2017 @01:03PM (#15729973)
> There's no amount of division that can neatly contain a group's interests. Gerrymandered maps are an extreme example. 60m vs 300m is no more meaningful a distinction than 500k (Atlanta) vs 6m (Atlanta MSA).

While technically true, surely there's degrees of 'containing group interests'?

I've been part of various groups with different sizes. Family > friends > Christian denomination (Evangelical) > Class (highly educated but very 'middle-class'), Country (The Netherlands), etc. To me it seems obvious that as the group gets larger, as well as more 'abstract', the group interest becomes vaguer and broader and less cohesive.

While I don't agree that comparisons on a state-level are the right kind of abstraction (perhaps more rural versus urban?), I do think that there's a huge difference in 'contained group interests' on the level of something like 'The Netherlands' versus 'The European Union' (the 'umemployed leeches' are at least my unemployed leeches, and not brown-skinned, etc.). And while I think the USA cannot be directly compared to the EU, I do think the USA is more similar to the EU than to one particular country within it. Or at least enough so that it makes that comparison very shaky.

I often find it difficult to remember this, because from the perspective of a Netflix-guzzling European the USA is a monoculture. But if the differences within the relatively small and relatively (globally speaking) homogeneous eurozone are any indication, the USA might be much less monocultural than it appears.

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by wallace_f on Saturday November 18, 2017 @10:08AM (#15729203)
It's certainly nice that in our healthcare predicament that we can at least point to other countries and ask "what are they doing that causes them to have better healthcare outcomes and cost 1-/3 to 1/9th the price--as is the case with countries like Germany and Japan."

Another example is marijuana legalization, which seriously benefits people with certain diseases and psychosis. Further, it has shown in Colorado to reduce crime and increase tax revenue. It would have been significantly delayed if the federal government imposed authority of federal law in this case.

So there is a pretty compelling argument to be made that some issues seriously benefit from not being under one bureaucracy.

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by libertyEQ on Saturday November 18, 2017 @03:55PM (#15730637)
>State populations are not monoliths.

I never made that claim. It is simply that state level democracies is what we have in the US. I live over 1,000 miles from my nearest relative because that is where I feel most comfortable, even though I know very few people and have no connections.

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by hans_mueller on Saturday November 18, 2017 @11:39AM (#15729648)
> I have almost nothing in common with the people of Alabama.

seriously? you have very much in common with them. you want clean water to drink and air to breath, healthy food to eat, peace, a non-corrupt and efficient government, safety, medical infrastructure and so on ...

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by igravious on Saturday November 18, 2017 @09:52AM (#15729140)
Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by ehllo on Saturday November 18, 2017 @10:44AM (#15729379)
just to second your comment with a comparable chart(with history) (worldbank data):

https://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&...

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by libertyEQ on Saturday November 18, 2017 @03:59PM (#15730654)
Holy shit! The idea that it's 60M instead of 80M misses the fact that it is an order of magnitude different scale.

Would it help you people if I said, Germany is 10^2M vs 10^3M? I'm I pedant, but this is ridiculous.

Re:Germany replaces US as country with best international image by libertyEQ on Saturday November 18, 2017 @07:15PM (#15731469)
Just to be clear:

60/300= 20%

80/300= 26%

Not much of a difference, IMO. Make your case if you disagree.