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Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by rpowers on Friday November 17, 2017 @03:53PM (#15725855)
Pretty sure most of the lower paid folks in Seattle dislike how their rent doubled because these tech folks throw money at rentals close to downtown.
Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by shepardrtc on Friday November 17, 2017 @04:06PM (#15725952)
Local landlords are the ones increasing the rent, not the people that pay for it.
Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by doublerebel on Friday November 17, 2017 @05:21PM (#15726481)
People are overpaying for housing (cash offers 20% over asking), and turning them into expensive rentals (mostly Airbnb) to pay for the extra cost. In that sense, people are absolutely setting their own ceiling on cost of housing.

Also, in order to cope with rising costs from new residents, property taxes have risen 35% in the last 4 years [0]. Part of the rent increases are just to cover the property tax. These taxes are voted in by the people.

(Source: I have friends who have purchased homes here, others who work in real estate, and I do tech things for property management companies.)

[0]: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/real-estate/property-t...

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by shepardrtc on Friday November 17, 2017 @05:35PM (#15726556)
> People are overpaying for housing (cash offers 20% over asking)

All the rentals I looked at had fixed prices and they weren't interested in extra cash. That's also assuming you're renting from an individual and not a company. The massive apartments that are being built have fixed, though rising yearly, costs.

> property taxes have risen 35%

That increase isn't automatic and certainly isn't locked in step to the number of people moving in. Its a decision by the county.

My point is that to blame people trying to find a place to stay is ridiculous. The increase in pricing is a choice made by landlords, and is influenced by a choice made by the county.

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by doublerebel on Friday November 17, 2017 @06:06PM (#15726735)
Renter demand is insane right now, and they have the cash to back it up. I know of people renting a second place to stay, closer to work, because traffic has become so bad. I know that people are snapping up rentals as soon as they come on the market, even if that means supporting 2 leases for the rest of the month just to get what they want. Rent prices never have a chance or reason to drop.

The county's choices are a reflection of its citizens. City council has recently passed several new ordinances to make housing more 'fair', unfortunately this also has caused a significant increase in compliance cost for property managers.

My personal opinion is that zoning should be relaxed in several areas. Nevertheless Seattle price/sqft is in the range of other major US cities and still has room to rise:

https://www.rentcafe.com/blog/apartment-search-2/what-does-1...

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by shepardrtc on Saturday November 18, 2017 @07:40AM (#15728752)
Zoning is terrible. And height restrictions are a serious problem. The Space Needle and the Boeing airport nearby are seriously constraining building in the area. There was a massive downtown apartment tower that was (maybe still is?) going to be built that was running into big problems because it might be too tall for the airport. And in surrounding areas, the locals don't want their views spoiled so forget anything more than 3 or 4 stories. I lived in West Seattle, which had as many apartments as it could handle being built, but none above 3 or 4 stories. Its like people think that holding onto these utopic view of how Seattle should never change is somehow going to solve everything. The only way these issues will be fixed is through compromise and hard work. As it stands, I don't know how Seattle can hit a million people and still work properly.
Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday November 18, 2017 @01:38AM (#15728030)
Rental markets in Bellevue are a bit weak ATM, lots of new supply so they are offering incentives. Still more expensive than a few years ago, but we might be seeing a leak in demand-supply mismatches...on the east side at least.
Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by astrodust on Friday November 17, 2017 @04:19PM (#15726047)
They're increasing the rent because people are willing and able to pay. It's a complex relationship.
Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by leggomylibro on Friday November 17, 2017 @03:57PM (#15725888)
And...what, do you think people are more likely to feel empathy when they're treated like subhuman dirt? (Or something slightly less hyperbolic, whatever)

Kind of an ironic complaint, isn't it?

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by chickenfries on Friday November 17, 2017 @03:58PM (#15725899)
Please provide some examples of being treated like subhuman dirt, I'm waiting. You make Seattle sound like they're pelting techies in the streets with rotten fruit. I have no idea what you're talking about, having lived and worked in Seattle.
Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by leggomylibro on Friday November 17, 2017 @04:04PM (#15725933)
Nobody will talk with me.

So I've just stopped speaking unless spoken to...this is the first place where I've felt like my mere existence is an imposition.

I understand that plenty of other people deal with that every day but...it still hurts.

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by mikestew on Friday November 17, 2017 @04:46PM (#15726247)
Nobody will talk with me.

I mean this in the most constructive manner I can muster: consider that you contribute to this in some way. To put it more bluntly, maybe it's you. Because I've lived here for seventeen years, having moved from the Midwest, which was a hell of an adjustment. Because I'll agree that Seattlites are generally not as outgoing. For example, you move into a neighborhood in the Midwest and you'll be eating casserole for a week as the neighbors one by one drop them off. In Seattle, meh, it'd be nice if the neighbors acknowledged that I'm new to the neighborhood. But to just not talk to you? Really? An entire geographical location comprised of people that won't talk to others? C'mon, how likely is that? Hell, most people around here these days aren't even from Washington, so they're just fast learners of local culture?

Now I'm a bit of an introvert, so I'm not all that outgoing to begin with, but I have no trouble getting people to talk to me. Not as "chew your ear off" as Midwesterners can be, but they'll talk. If I had anything to complain about with West Coast living in general is folks can be a bit self-absorbed compared to what I'm used to. So they'll talk; oh, how they'll talk, but it'll be about themselves. But at least they're talking to you. :-) So ask people how that Paleo diet is going, or how Crossfit workouts are treating them. My experience says that you'll beg them to shut up.

But all of this is one huge, monstrous generalization because you can't just dump 700K people into one pigeon hole and call it a day.

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by leggomylibro on Friday November 17, 2017 @05:08PM (#15726403)
Thanks - I appreciate the benefit of your experience and it's always nice to have people slap you with some perspective...you might be surprised how often that doesn't happen, when you don't talk to people much.
Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by mikestew on Friday November 17, 2017 @05:11PM (#15726417)
you might be surprised how often that doesn't happen, when you don't talk to people much

The irony is not lost on me. :-) Best wishes to you for where ever you end up.

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by leggomylibro on Friday November 17, 2017 @06:24PM (#15726832)
Yeah honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it weren't part of why I whine and complain like this online. I feel like it's probably unhealthy (you know, relatively or whatever) to lose that reminder that you're just another asshole who can't quite make things work right, just like everyone else. I feel like most people get it from talking and discussing and arguing about intetesting things, but when all you can afford is grits...
Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by icelancer on Friday November 17, 2017 @04:29PM (#15726117)
>>Nobody will talk with me.

Strongly consider that this is not a problem in tech, but an individual one. I put in years at Microsoft, Amazon, and the dreaded startup row in Pioneer Square. I have a diverse group of friends from tech to retail, I watch football weekly with random people, have no problems striking up conversations at bars, etc.

Most of the complaints I hear like yours are eminently traceable to individual personalities that are overrepresented in tech, not people in general.

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by WaxProlix on Friday November 17, 2017 @04:15PM (#15726015)
What are you talking about? I've been a techie transplant in Seattle for years and while some folks understandably resent the trend, none have treated me or any other individual poorly because of it. If anything, they're likely to ask about my experience and how I think we could alleviate the issues (more housing inventory, imo).

I think you're very unlucky or hypersensitive to things that don't actually exist.

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by curtis on Friday November 17, 2017 @04:43PM (#15726231)
> Nobody will talk with me.

They're not singling you out. Seattle people don't talk to random strangers on the street or transit unless there's an actual reason. This aspect of the city is well known: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Freeze.

The good news is that it's not personal. The bad news is that it's still difficult to get to know people.

There are some exceptions to the rule. If you're a coffee drinker, you can definitely talk to your barista (about half of them are really friendly in my experience), and if you have a dog, you can talk to other people who have dogs (you might think I'm joking, but I am not).

Your best bet for human interaction is to join some sort of formal group. I still have a group of friends I made through Seattle Works (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Works) a decade ago.

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by rifung on Friday November 17, 2017 @07:23PM (#15727068)
> They're not singling you out. Seattle people don't talk to random strangers on the street or transit unless there's an actual reason. This aspect of the city is well known: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Freeze.

Is this unique to Seattle? I don't think I've lived anywhere (lived in both north and south CA previously) where people just talked to random people.

I feel like that's just one part of being in a big place? No point saying hi to every single person because there's way too many people and you're unlikely to see most of them ever again.

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by icelancer on Saturday November 18, 2017 @04:28PM (#15730806)
This is completely normal to any city that has a lot of transplants. At 24 years old, showing up to a city and expecting to become inner-circle friends with people who came up through high school is not reasonable, and people give up "making friends" fast.

Source: I moved to Seattle at 22 and have more friends here than I ever had in my previous life.

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by stdgy on Friday November 17, 2017 @04:17PM (#15726031)
Do you walk around with a sign on your forehead announcing to the world that you're a techie? I would suspect not.

On what grounds do you believe that to be the basis for people not speaking with you?

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by chickenfries on Friday November 17, 2017 @04:36PM (#15726168)
> Nobody will talk with me. > understand that plenty of other people deal with that every day but...

Have you tried volunteering? It might make you feel a little bit less lonely, and a little more wanted for helping other people.

You sound like you're experiencing some isolating emotions for the first time... living in the big city can be isolating and alienating for everyone. Not just techies.

You're not a pariah... it's just Seattle.

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by mikestew on Friday November 17, 2017 @04:58PM (#15726331)
Have you tried volunteering?

Just a confirmation for this. As just one example, I spend a lot of time volunteering at an animal shelter. Makes me wished I'd volunteered as a younger man, as there are some hot chix there, and we obviously all like dogs. :-) Piggishness aside, I meet all kinds of people there and take my pick of relationships had I more time. Even if I don't speak to another person, I get to hang out with a variety of dogs while I'm there, and if no human thanks me the dogs sure do seem to appreciate it.

Or Meetups for your chosen hobby. As yet another example, I play bluegrass music. Not in a band, just "jamming" with other people. I could play bluegrass music with other people at least three days a week if I wanted to (and sometimes do), probably more if I'd drive just a bit further. In addition to meeting other people at the jams, and bluegrassers will talk to you as long as you can stand it, that leads to going to bluegrass festivals, where you spend an entire weekend playing with other people after the bands get off stage.

Just some ideas. Because I do think a valid "complaint" of Seattle in general is that you're always welcome, but we're not going to explicitly invite you.

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by TomMarius on Saturday November 18, 2017 @12:50PM (#15729926)
This is fascinating to me. Don't move to Europe, you might feel like we are going to murder you in some dark corner. When I was in Seattle I was fascinated with how outcoming these people were and then I read this - wow. Interesting perspective.
Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by hcho3 on Sunday November 19, 2017 @01:44AM (#15732626)
> Nobody will talk with me.

Wow, I'm sorry to hear that. It sounds like you've gone through a lot.

I am also a recent transplant in Seattle. If you ever need someone to talk to, we can meet up over coffee or something. You can reach me at [email protected].

Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by selimthegrim on Friday November 17, 2017 @09:03PM (#15727406)
As a fellow sufferer of this years ago (we've been over this before here on HN) I'm happy to reach out and strategize. My email is my HN handle at gmail
Re:Seattle once again nation’s fastest-growing big city; pop... by vkou on Friday November 17, 2017 @04:03PM (#15725925)
As a techie (who does wear his status on his forehead... Or at least, on company-branded clothing, which is 60% of what I wear,) I have never been treated like subhuman dirt in Seattle.

I have, however, seen quite a few homeless people, bus drivers, and food workers treated like subhuman dirt.

I'm not saying you haven't ran into problems, what I'm saying is that between being a techie, and not, the former has way less of them.