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Re:How the Chinese Government Fakes Social Media Posts for S... by meri_dian on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @06:22PM (#15708984)
How is China learning this from the US? Chinese manipulation of social media is well known to be vast and incredibly coordinated. There just isn't evidence that the US government is engaged in anything approaching the Chinese scale.

Sure we have tremendous surveillance capabilities, but we use them to detect criminal and terroristic behavior, not to police thought crime in the same way that China does. Don't be silly.

It's so fashionable for pseudo-intellectuals to adopt a cynicism-all-the-time mentality, especially about America, but it's really just lazy thinking.

Re:How the Chinese Government Fakes Social Media Posts for S... by wybiral on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @07:19PM (#15709266)
It makes me wonder how the conspiracy people think this stuff is orchestrated. Does it all get planned out by one council of secret overlords masterminding the flow of public information? How many people are in on the secret? What is their end goal?

...Or maybe social dynamics and global relationships are more complex than that and patterns emerge even without the need for a conspiracy behind them...

Re:How the Chinese Government Fakes Social Media Posts for S... by colordrops on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @07:26PM (#15709302)
It doesn't take but a modicum of research to know these answers. I'd expect HN commenters to be better than speaking out of ignorance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_in_the_United_State...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Public_Informatio...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Information_Agen...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Secretary_of_State_for_P...

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-brown/propaganda-public-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

And this doesn't even begin to get into the deep collusion between the government and the media with lobbying, regulatory capture, government appointments, politicians on corporate board seats.

Re:How the Chinese Government Fakes Social Media Posts for S... by wybiral on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @07:42PM (#15709379)
"Propaganda" is an ambiguous word. By some definitions every country engages in ongoing propaganda. Especially in times of war (where the majority of these "modicum of research" you provided took place) there is sometimes a need to establish channels of communication and leadership.

Maybe it's easier to believe in a massively orchestrated conspiracy machine masterminding all of this, but I believe that the world and ongoing international affairs are slightly more nuanced than that.

Re:How the Chinese Government Fakes Social Media Posts for S... by colordrops on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @08:17PM (#15709561)
What are you on about a "massively orchestrated conspiracy"? No one but you is talking about that.
Re:How the Chinese Government Fakes Social Media Posts for S... by wybiral on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @08:46PM (#15709698)
Sorry, it seemed like that was being implied here but I must be mistaken.

Perhaps you were simply referring to the normal complexity one would expect out of a diverse crowd of interests from bodies of government and businesses acting in ways that sometimes overlap when you said:

> "deep collusion between the government and the media with lobbying, regulatory capture, government appointments, politicians on corporate board seats"

Re:How the Chinese Government Fakes Social Media Posts for S... by jdietrich on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @07:53PM (#15709432)
>in times of war

We have always been at war with Eastasia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_mili...