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Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by petercooper on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @10:25AM (#15695785)
The bit I'd be interested to read about is the psychology behind the "donors." Why would anyone throw down random $100 or $500 without a quid quo pro to someone receiving many other such donations?

I understand streaming, generally, and have paid to subscribe to a channel before but the random throwing around of not insignificant amounts of money gets me scratching my head.

(Should make it clear I'm not criticizing the practice. I just find it interesting, considering how understand the psychology behind it could help creators in other spheres, or open source developers, etc.)

Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by notsospeedruns on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @03:38PM (#15698875)
As someone who streams on a smaller scale, and who has donated a few hundred dollars to streams (spread out over time, and usually towards charity), there are a lot of different reasons and incentives to donate.

- Reaction from the streamer. Donations get their attention and will show (or read aloud) a message from the donor. It could be a joke, or just kind words of support.

- Interaction. Streamers will often set rewards for donations above $X. This could be something like "choose the next hero I play in Overwatch", or, as many Tabletop streamers do, "Player of your choice automatically rolls a Natural 20". These can also often turn into glutton for punishment rewards, like doing shots or eating hot peppers. Sometimes donations can trigger sound effects, e.g. a loud roar during a tense moment in a horror game.

- Competition. Someone else mentioned the "telethon" mentality of wanting to be the highest donor, and that very much applies. Streamers will often include on their channel the rankings of their top supporters.

- Milestones. Streamers will often set goals of how much they want to raise over the course of a day or month. This could be something like "help me afford a new CPU" or just "Keep the show going". If they hit it, they promise things like game giveaways, 24 hour streams, dyeing their hair a crazy color, etc.

Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by viiralvx on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @11:03AM (#15696161)
You know, I had the same thought as well? Although, MKBHD was streaming one time and I threw him $5 and asked a question. And it was cool seein' him respond to my question in real-time. I guess that same feeling of satisfaction is granted for donating money and hearing them shout you out? I don't know. It was a great feeling for sure though.
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by petercooper on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @11:08AM (#15696217)
Thanks for the story. Those are the sort of things I'm interested in hearing about. Could you foresee a situation where you might ever donate $100 or more to such a streamer?
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by drusepth on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @11:14AM (#15696302)
I've donated >$100 to one streamer in one go, who I've watched for years for both entertainment and game-related education (watching his tutorials on how to get better at games I play).

The traditional sense of paying someone cash for something often happens in parallel: you give something and you immediately get something. I think the mentality (or, at least my mentality) with streamers and tipping is a bit different: after you've received something (e.g. entertainment for X duration), _then_ you give something (a tip). Tipping someone $100 at any point might not make total sense in the moment to someone else observing, but tipping someone $100 for e.g. the last 6 months of free entertainment makes a lot of sense to the tipper. Sure, you could get away with not tipping and make that entertainment truly free, but you also want to support those who are creating it and encourage them to make more. After all, you pay for other entertainment, and often a large tip every once in a while still evens out to (much) less than you'd pay otherwise.

Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by petercooper on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @11:27AM (#15696443)
Thanks, this reply definitely helps me understand it a bit more.
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by gozur88 on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @12:54PM (#15697414)
I suspect it's the sort of "telethon" mentality. Some people see the donations as a competition (not intellectually, but emotionally). They want to win, so they donate way more than is reasonable.

Beyond that, wasn't there kind of a scandal a few years back where people would donate huge amounts to twitch streamers to make a big splash, and then cancel their donations so it didn't cost anything?

Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by notsospeedruns on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @03:55PM (#15699021)
That mentality of competition definitely comes into play, but I think that's a small part of it. Much more has to do with illiciting a reaction from the streamer. Like the article mentioned, a huge donation can cause someone to break down in tears, and step away from the camera. Even small donations can be emotional for smaller streamers, especially those humble enough to sincerely thank every one. There's also the opposite, where people will donate to streamers who will put themselves through challenges for it, like taking shots or eating ghost peppers.

In terms of the scandal, yes, that was and still is a thing. Generally called "chargebacks", if a donor cancels the card and reports it as fraudulent, they have to pay nothing, and the streamer often has to pay a processing fee.

Two stories there: I know a streamer who pissed off one of his moderators, and the mod decided to donate to the channel repeatedly in small amounts, and cancel all of them. He had to pay a $20 fee for each one, it ended up costing hundreds.

I also had a buddy who was raising money for the charity Extra Life earlier this year, who had someone drop a donation of over $1k. The next week it was charged back, assumably costing the charity money. Some people are just not great people.

Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by autarch on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @04:56PM (#15699556)
I've donated to streamers a few times, though it was more in the $5-20 range. Mostly I did this because I enjoyed the stream, and after watching for more than a few hours, I figure it was only reasonable to pay the streamer for the entertainment I'd received.

I also won't subscribe to any channels (except with the free Twitch Prime sub) because I don't watch any one channel consistently enough to justify it. But if I am watching one channel a lot some month why not donate $5?

Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by astura on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @10:37AM (#15695902)
People do a lot of things that baffle me.

Spending $100-500 for some entertainment is actually reasonable and not at all baffling.

Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by petercooper on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @10:43AM (#15695962)
Sure, I've spent money on a lot of weird things, giving arbitrary money to people I think who needed it, buying coins in games I've enjoyed, etc.. but donations with no quid pro quo to top Twitch players till do baffle me, given people making the donations know they're well off. It feels like me sending random checks to Larry David because I like watching his show :-D I'd just be keen to see an article digging into that.
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by astura on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @10:57AM (#15696102)
What in Earth do you mean a "quid pro quo?" Twitch user gives entertainment and in return the donor kicks in some cash of they want to. Just like a busker.

If you feel they provide you with $500 in entertainment and you have a spare $500, then it makes sense.

That's like asking "why would you go to a casino when you know casinos make lots of money?"

If you're watching Larry David's shows the business transaction has already taken place. Larry David doesn't stream his shows for free and give you the opportunity to give him donations in exchange and then thank donors during the episode.

Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by petercooper on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @11:05AM (#15696181)
Twitch user gives entertainment and in return the donor kicks in some cash of they want to. Just like a busker.

I understand the busker metaphor, but the $100/$500 donations we hear about most often are to successful streamers, so it's more like throwing $500 at Axel Rose. That's the bit I find interesting.

Such donations strike me as unusually altruistic for the demographic involved, in a way that we don't see en masse in other public online venues (such as on YouTube, donating to open source, Instagram, bloggers, etc.) I'm quite interested in learning more about the psychology around that because I think other arenas deserve it too.

Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by astura on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @11:21AM (#15696378)
Same reason why Axel Rose being rich and successful doesn't stop fans from buying albums, going to shows, and buying merch.
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by dkersten on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @12:33PM (#15697195)
Well the difference is that most fans don’t mind paying the money to get those items, they don’t typically just hand him money for nothing just because they like him. Twitch subscription is like a concert: you get something in return, but donating large amounts for nothing to already successful streamers is a bit odd.

But not that odd: I’ve backed people on patreon because I liked what they do and wanted to reward them - even though they were already making good money on it - and then never actually accessed the rewards. So I do get it.

Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by graedus on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @12:32PM (#15697187)
Presumably those fans are buying those things at least in part because they want to have the album, concert experience, or merch. With twitch donations/tips you get comparatively very little in return - your username might pop up in a video overlay for a few seconds, and the streamer might be like "hey thanks, [username]!". Those 3-4 seconds are typically the entirety of your several-hundered-dollar experience.
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by thaumasiotes on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @07:03PM (#15700432)
Those effects can't really be considered to be "your several-hundred-dollar experience", because you get them all, even the on-screen "thanks", for a much lesser tip. What people are getting out of the large tips is something else.
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by CocaKoala on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @10:56AM (#15696098)
When you donate, an alert pops up on the stream and the streamer will, in almost every case, acknowledge the donation and thank you for it. There's more recognition and interaction between the donator and the streamer than you sending a check to Larry David because you want him to have some walking-around money.
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by ghostbrainalpha on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @11:10AM (#15696250)
I was pretty baffled by this as well. But I think it comes from people who watch more than 10+ hours of someone. They then feel like they know them.

The donations then become something more like buying Girl Scout cookies, or a painting from a craft fair.

It's not the most efficient use of your dollar for a product, it's patronage of someone in your community.

Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by 794CD01 on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @10:57AM (#15696104)
Choosing to pay for content Larry David was involved in instead of pirating it is practically the same thing.
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by justaman on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @10:44AM (#15695979)
I think a large number of twitch viewers are still under 18. I remember my little brother would get my mom hopping mad after he would repeatedly purchase DLC without asking. At $1 or even $5 a pop, would you notice at the end of the month?
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by astura on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @10:50AM (#15696030)
Would I notice an extra $1-$5 on my credit card? Absolutely! Why on Earth does your brother have unfettered access to your mom's credit card where he'd be in a position to charge it without asking?
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by jackmott on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @04:51PM (#15699516)
but you can just spend $0 for the same entertainment with ads or like $5 for it with no ads
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by sbarre on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @10:45AM (#15695980)
Lots of people have more money than sense...

Or, less flippantly, for some people this is literally their only entertainment.. They watch every day, all the time..

At some point, dollar-per-hour evens out when compared to going to the movies or paying for other forms of entertainment.

Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by trophycase on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @12:24PM (#15697094)
If people enjoy it, what's wrong with that? It's better than TV in a lot of ways and doesn't have screaming loud advertisements every 5 minutes.
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by ben_jones on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @02:41PM (#15698422)
I'd encourage you to watch the niche streamers, playing games with smaller audiences. It's very, very, similar to i.e. pornographic cam shows, strippers, and gambling. Traditionally poor working-class demographics will throw money away for little more then a nod in their direction.

My theory is that its anthropological, people want to belong to the group. The isolation of being behind a computer ironically amplifies the phenomenon, people become more desparate to connect and the only outlet they have is to donate.

Finally there is the rabid success of the female streamers, many of whom wear low cut shirts and exhibit flirty behavior. While there are many talented female gamers who deserve their place in the twitch spotlight, there can be no denying that a portion of the demographic caters specifically to specific male inclinations...

Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by stevenwoo on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @12:43PM (#15697307)
A few years ago some videos of women getting $5,000 tips in video chat made the front page on reddit - I had never heard of it but stripping/performing sex acts on camera in chat rooms for tips is a sizeable business. Some people were tipping just for acknowledgement of their typing in a comment to the performer. Reddit probably was being used as viral advertising for it back then and now.

It actually seems better for the performers than stripping in a club - they don't have to risk contact with patrons, more control of working conditions and I assume they get to keep a lot more of their income.

Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by bfuller on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @03:04PM (#15707257)
Dancers actually pay to work at a club, the club does not take a cut from them. And 'contact with patrons' is exactly how they make their money, and I guarantee the average dancer (who is likely at least sometimes a full on sex worker) makes a lot more than the average cam girl.
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by c3534l on Wednesday November 15, 2017 @01:20PM (#15706214)
There's a few guys I watch consistently. I want them to keep making stuff and I would feel bad if they stopped. I haven't donated because I don't have any money to throw around at the moment, but once I get some disposable income, being able to give back money to the people I've enjoyed watching and sort of pretend-hanging-out-with would make me feel less indebted.
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by rabbitonrails on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @12:58PM (#15697458)
Because the streamers are a big part of their days and they want to help them succeed. And for shoutouts.
Re:How to Get Rich Playing Video Games Online by jackmott on Tuesday November 14, 2017 @04:37PM (#15699395)
I could understand donating to a small time streamer, but to the guy pulling in ~300k/month from subscriptions? no idea! but they do it.