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Re:Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016) by jack1243star on Sunday November 12, 2017 @03:00AM (#15680125)
If you know English, the loanwords become immediately accesible. Also Japanese dictionaries could be easier to check, since you just need to know the pronunciation.

Your conception on the writing systems is quite weird, consistency (if any) is the same, I would say. I do not get what you mean by characters being "traditional" or not.

Chinese loanwords are more garbled, with different methods of assigning them random chinese characters. And the Japanese use Latin characters to mark pronunciations also, minus the tone markings. (Let me introduce you to -- bopomofo)

Re:Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016) by jpatokal on Sunday November 12, 2017 @04:57AM (#15680351)
English loanwords are only a tiny part of either language. The parent was pointing out that in Chinese 生 is always sheng, while in Japanese it can be any of sei, shou, san, nama, ikiru, ikeru, ikasu, umu and 50-odd more readings depending on context.

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%94%9F

Re:Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016) by rangibaby on Sunday November 12, 2017 @06:04AM (#15680474)
> If you know English, the loanwords become immediately accesible.

That's a common misconception (on the level of "katakana is for loan words"):

I switched my televi off and rode my autobike from my mansion to the cleaning to pick up my Y shirt because my car's front glass broke. On the way home I stopped at the conveni.

Televi: TV Autobike: motorcycle Mansion: apartment Cleaning: dry cleaning Front glass: windshield Conveni: Conveni-ence store

> Chinese loanwords are more garbled, with different methods of assigning them random chinese characters.

This was standard in Japanese too (ateji). It is more common now to just make a loanword, but if someone doesn't learn them they may be confused about why Japanese abbreviate America as "rice".

米 US from 亜米利加 A ME RI KA (亜 is for Asia) eg 米軍 (US military) or 米ドル (US dollar)

Re:Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016) by Manishearth on Sunday November 12, 2017 @06:41AM (#15680540)
IIRC 米国 (mi guo / "rice country") is used in Taiwan as well. The other Chinese word for America (美国 / mei guo / "beautiful country") is also a phonetic thing.

(I used to think 美国 was descriptive since it didn't sound phonetic, until I came across 米国 and was confused as to why anyone would describe the US as "rice country", and then I learned that both were phonetic, but for the "me" in "america")

Re:Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016) by Dylan16807 on Sunday November 12, 2017 @10:41AM (#15681192)
You call it a misconception and then post an example that's extremely easy to understand? I'm confused.
Re:Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016) by azernik on Sunday November 12, 2017 @03:10AM (#15680145)
I'm talking about the Chinese loanwords; I agree, the English and generally European loanwords are written phonetically and are pronounced consistently.
Re:Jōyō kanji variants: The curious case of 叱 and 𠮟 (2016) by stordoff on Sunday November 12, 2017 @08:48AM (#15680832)
> If you know English, the loanwords become immediately accesible.

Bit of a stretch IMO - the pronunciation and usage can still often be different enough to trip you up, especially when you consider there are non-English loanwords on occasion (e.g. playing Persona 5, it took me far too long to realise that ルブラン, which I naively transliterated as ruburan, was actually the French "Le Blanc").