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Re:Uber loses court appeal against drivers' rights by Anderkent on Friday November 10, 2017 @07:55AM (#15669511)
Um, what exactly is the difference between self-employed person paying their healthcare insurance, and someone being employed and the company paying their insurance?

As long as the self-employed person doesn't pay tax on their insurance (which AFAIK they don't), it is exactly the same thing.

Re:Uber loses court appeal against drivers' rights by pjc50 on Friday November 10, 2017 @08:31AM (#15669718)
Health insurance is irrelevant to the discussion in the UK so long as the NHS exists.

What is relevant is NI ("national insurance"), which pays for a bunch of unemployment and similar benefits: https://www.turn2us.org.uk/Benefit-guides/National-insurance...

What is also relevant is driver liability insurance - normally if you take paying passengers it invalidates your insurance, so commercial drivers either need to be insured by their company or pay more for correct insurance.

Re:Uber loses court appeal against drivers' rights by Anderkent on Friday November 10, 2017 @12:21PM (#15671348)
OK, but the idea is the same. You could have the big corporation pay the employed person X and the car insurance company Y. Or you could have the big company pay the self-employed person X+Y, and self-employed person pays the car insurance company Y.

If the big company is not willing to pay X+Y to the self-employed guy, they won't be willing to spend X+Y on an employee.

The only difference is if the big company can get better rates on the relevant goods than a self-employed guy.

Re:Uber loses court appeal against drivers' rights by kuschku on Friday November 10, 2017 @08:15AM (#15669623)
If the self-employed person can’t afford their own insurance, but their employer doesn’t fund it for them, they often end up without insurance – and if they need to get something done anyway, society has to pick up the bill.
Re:Uber loses court appeal against drivers' rights by Anderkent on Friday November 10, 2017 @08:21AM (#15669658)
Self-employed people pay their NHS contributions the same way that companies pay for them. It's not a question of can/can't afford, it's a % of your earnings.

https://www.gov.uk/self-employed-national-insurance-rates

Re:Uber loses court appeal against drivers' rights by youngtaff on Friday November 10, 2017 @09:22AM (#15670012)
Apart from their not NHS contributions as National Insurance isn't a hypothecated tax
Re:Uber loses court appeal against drivers' rights by Anderkent on Friday November 10, 2017 @12:18PM (#15671333)
It's the closest there is to 'medical insurance paid by employer'. OR what do you think grandparent means when they say 'if the self-employed person can’t afford their own insurance, but their employer doesn’t fund it for them'?
Re:Uber loses court appeal against drivers' rights by kuschku on Friday November 10, 2017 @08:24PM (#15674461)
The gig economy isn’t just an issue in the UK – the example I had used was Germany (which I had literally mentioned in my original comment), where exactly that is happening.