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Re:Chrome breaks the Web by UncleMeat on Monday November 06, 2017 @04:30PM (#15639186)
Adblock is "breaking websites". If a website is doing something crappy, I'd prefer to not have that crappy thing happen than experience the developer's true intent.
Re:Chrome breaks the Web by nashashmi on Monday November 06, 2017 @05:53PM (#15639697)
Adblock is opt-in. If the browser misbehaves because of an extension, the browser nor website is to be blamed.

Chrome cannot decide on a whim that old websites should be broken. It is not how the web moves forward. Take for example Firefox that kept breaking extensions with every update, now they have few compatible extensions.

Re:Chrome breaks the Web by comatose on Monday November 06, 2017 @07:01PM (#15640068)
it's a little reductio ad absurdum but what about defaulting to popup blocking? blink? marquee? It's not the same thing but maybe worth considering when defending web author's intent being ignored.
Re:Chrome breaks the Web by robryan on Monday November 06, 2017 @07:27PM (#15640184)
At least popup blocking has an opt out if you need it.
Re:Chrome breaks the Web by mcv on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @07:04AM (#15642662)
Exactly, and this issue could and should have been handled in the same way.
Re:Chrome breaks the Web by walterstucco on Monday November 06, 2017 @08:55PM (#15640508)
> what about defaulting to popup blocking?

that's a misbehaviour of the browser, not the developers

The browsers were designed for viewing a single page at time

popup blocking is fixing a browsers misbehaviour, as much as fixing a car that when you hit the brake accelerates

Re:Chrome breaks the Web by 013a on Monday November 06, 2017 @08:22PM (#15640404)
Choosing to use Chrome is also opt-in. Its the same concept. Its not ideal, but it is what it is.
Re:Chrome breaks the Web by nashashmi on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @11:49AM (#15644959)
I believe Chrome on mobile is the default (only?) browser. So it is opt-out, and a very painful opt-out that requires technical knowledge.

You ship an experience like that, you end up not only breaking old websites but shift the emphasis on regularly updated websites that work on mobile. That was the intent! But it is not the web we know and love.

Re:Chrome breaks the Web by khedoros1 on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @02:19PM (#15646568)
> I believe Chrome on mobile is the default (only?) browser.

It's default on a lot of Android phones, but far from the only one available. I use Firefox on mine. Opting to use a non-Chrome browser on an Android phone is about as technical as using a non-Microsoft browser under Windows.

Re:Chrome breaks the Web by walterstucco on Monday November 06, 2017 @08:53PM (#15640506)
developers cannot opt-in
Re:Chrome breaks the Web by 013a on Monday November 06, 2017 @09:44PM (#15640709)
They also can't opt-in to adblock or noscript or me choosing to run Netscape version 4. Developers fundamentally do not get a say on what I choose to run on my system; at best the only control they have is saying "nope we aren't even going to try to run on whatever you've got" but even that isn't a guarantee.
Re:Chrome breaks the Web by walterstucco on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:03AM (#15642118)
> They also can't opt-in to adblock or noscript or me choosing to run Netscape version 4.

This is a gross oversimplifcation

They also cannot opt-in if you don't have electricity in your house or don't own a computer

DOH!

This is not a real argument

A real argument is obsolescence

Of course there's a point when older versions are not supported anymore

Here we are talking about future versions breaking compatibility, without a shared consent, without a deprecation roadmap, that need to be supported, in a Chrome specific way, making Chrome the new IE for no real benefits to the user and a vendor lock-in by Google

When they users will try a different browser, for whatever reason, they will experience a different web, that for the majority of them being non techy will look like a broken web

Re:Chrome breaks the Web by ksk on Monday November 06, 2017 @07:57PM (#15640313)
I would wager that if asked, a user would prefer that a website continue to work.
Re:Chrome breaks the Web by taneq on Monday November 06, 2017 @05:50PM (#15639689)
Adblock is opt in.
Re:Chrome breaks the Web by walterstucco on Monday November 06, 2017 @08:53PM (#15640505)
> Adblock is "breaking websites"

because that's what I want it to do.