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Re:Expressive Power of SQL (2003) [pdf] by domparise on Friday November 03, 2017 @10:27AM (#15619414)
Isn't SQL Turing complete? So imo the question of "how expressive is SQL" is really just "how expressive can SQL be with reasonably useful performance".
Re:Expressive Power of SQL (2003) [pdf] by corpMaverick on Friday November 03, 2017 @10:43AM (#15619521)
From what I can understand (barely) The paper tries to determine if some of the new(2003) SQL3 extensions were really needed.

From the answers here https://stackoverflow.com/questions/900055/is-sql-or-even-ts...

It seems that SQL92 was not Turing complete but it became turing complete later on. Possibly by the same extensions added in SQL3.

Re:Expressive Power of SQL (2003) [pdf] by MarkusWinand on Friday November 03, 2017 @12:43PM (#15620483)
The mentioned proof is confirming SQL:2003.

See also: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Cyclic_Tag_System

Re:Expressive Power of SQL (2003) [pdf] by lmkg on Friday November 03, 2017 @10:44AM (#15619534)
I don't think that vanilla SQL defined in older versions of the standard is actually Turing-complete. Most commercial releases included features that made it Turing complete, and my understanding is that the most recent standard includes enough from these features that it's now Turing-complete.
Re:Expressive Power of SQL (2003) [pdf] by mhd on Friday November 03, 2017 @10:56AM (#15619622)
That reminds me of some horrible datbase designs I've seen, where people too enamored with FSMs/petri nets etc. tried to put the "code" into tables…
Re:Expressive Power of SQL (2003) [pdf] by Kenji on Friday November 03, 2017 @03:36PM (#15621698)
Sounds like the stuff my code refactoring nightmares are made of. The opposite case is funny too though: I've seen people who fetched and deserialized the entire SQL table and then manually SELECTed by looping over it with a foreach loop and picking the right record =)

They even had their own custom logic to do table JOINs. It involved fetching and deserializing both entire tables with SELECT *, of course.

Relational calculus at its finest, me gusta.

Re:Expressive Power of SQL (2003) [pdf] by kafkaesq on Friday November 03, 2017 @01:07PM (#15620659)
Isn't SQL Turing complete?

Even if it is -- "turing complete" != "expressive".

They're rather different beasties, in fact.