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Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by pera on Thursday November 02, 2017 @02:25PM (#15612920)
I do agree that not everything is imposed by evil corps, but hostile products don't necessarily fail by their own: cigarettes and junk foods are just one example of this.

In general I'm not against video content in a web page, as it actually can be a good source of raw data that we can use to understand something in great details, but I would argue that in many cases video is objectively inferior to text: texts are much easier to parse (both for computers and humans) and also some irrelevant information included in the audiovisual format can reduce the entropy of a content (e.g. how a reporter looks like physically).

Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by DeusExMachina on Thursday November 02, 2017 @02:48PM (#15613146)
Cigarettes and junk food are not hostile in this context. We are talking about things that people don’t like but are forced to get anyway.

Cigarettes and junk food are definitely unhealthy, but people love them. So much that it’s hard to take them away from them.

Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by smhost on Thursday November 02, 2017 @03:36PM (#15613521)
That's a very bizarre definition of love. Few people are happy about their addiction to an unhealthy habit. Don't you think it's disingenuous to talk about user preference without talking about reward hacking? I think the internet is actually worse in this respect because much of it is systematically designed to induce addiction with no upper limit.

Your evolutionary arguments are also pretty bizarre and reductionist. Maybe we did evolve using verbal communication, but we didn't evolve to be schizophrenic voyeuristic mutes without face-to-face nonverbal feedback.

Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by sillysaurus3 on Thursday November 02, 2017 @04:35PM (#15614047)
Can we stop framing arguments as "bizarre"? It's unduly personal.

I don't think their arguments are bizarre, and it's better to meet them head-on than to insinuate they're weird.

Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by walterstucco on Thursday November 02, 2017 @03:03PM (#15613277)
> We are talking about things that people don’t like but are forced to get anyway.

- Driving: a lot of people drive, very few of them like it or they would learn how to do it properly

- Public transport: 99,99% of people using public transport hate it

- Going to the dentist

- eating vegetables

- taking kids to the pool

and so on…

all of this things are incredibly annoying to many, yet they have not failed

Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by akoncius on Thursday November 02, 2017 @06:41PM (#15614988)
so watching ads is a job?
Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by djeikyb on Thursday November 02, 2017 @10:44PM (#15616326)
http://www.empowr.com is a 10+ year old tech company with this as a premise.
Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by walterstucco on Thursday November 02, 2017 @07:19PM (#15615274)
In a way, it is.

But I don't understand the connection.

The core of the issue is the proverbial "worse is better"

All the walled garden on the web are optimising one particular feature - engagement - leaving behind many others that are equally important if not more, like user's freedom or privacy.

It's no wonder that investing so much money in getting users to subscribe and use the platform results in an increase of time spent by the users on the platform.

It is orthogonal to the problem highlighted in the original post.

The net effect is so strong that any other platform that tries to enter the market either has to waste a lot of money (if they have them) or use the same techniques that are already in place to sustain their businness

The choice is on the users, but for the majority of them it's not worth it until it's too late.

Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by coldtea on Thursday November 02, 2017 @04:50PM (#15614188)
>I do agree that not everything is imposed by evil corps, but hostile products don't necessarily fail by their own: cigarettes and junk foods are just one example of this.

Cigarettes and junk foods are not hostile -- they are incredibly enticing. What they are is harmful (which is something different).

Video, similarly, whether harmful or not, is very welcome by lots of people who strongly prefer it to reading.

Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by Terr_ on Thursday November 02, 2017 @08:22PM (#15615635)
No, it's still hostile, you just don't know it yet.

Just as the Trojans how that big wonderful Horse statue worked out for them :p

Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by LambdaComplex on Thursday November 02, 2017 @07:21PM (#15615286)
What's enticing about cigarettes?
Re:Against an Increasingly User-Hostile Web by coldtea on Friday November 03, 2017 @04:20AM (#15617489)
What's not, considering that half the global population looked forward to a pack or more every day?

They're a great way to fidget, they go great with coffee, they look majestic on the big screen, and nicotine is extremely addictive.

Heck, whole movies and books, and poems and songs have been written about them in a positive light. And lots.

If it wasn't for the health concern people would still be smoking on airplanes and there would just be a small "non smoking" area (like in the 70s).