Agreed. Sunlight before school is only glimpsed through windows, which is not worth sacrificing the opportunity to spend time outside in the evening.

A lot of people are borderline incapable of waking up in the dark and functioning normally throughout the day. There are a lot of physiological triggers sunlight exposure in the morning does to naturally wake most people up, and deviating from those can be quite unhealthy.

Artificial lighting, white not yellow, and lots of it, can help with that.

Anecdotally, when I moved my clothes into the guest room and got ready for the day with all the lights on instead of getting dressed by nightlight, I was much more wakeful. Also made fewer errors with navy/black socks :)

In Australia, Philips sell an LED bulb call SceneSwitch[1] (formerly Choose Scenes), which alternate between cool and warm white when switched off and back on. I've installed in all but the bedrooms.

1. https://www.philips.com.au/c-m-li/choose-a-bulb/sceneswitch

The fifteen minutes of informal recess before school starts is one of the funnest times of the day for them.

Those kind of strategies are much more effective on adults than kids.

The standard tech schedule of ten to seven is insane IMO. Construction workers have it figured out, they work seven to three.

Who gets out of work less than an hour after the sun goes down in the winter?

From November to March, the sun is always down before I get out of work at 5. If I'm going to see the sun, it's in the morning before work.

That was sort of the parent's point: the sun is down for everyone leaving work in the winter. Moreover, it's surely been down for almost all of us for at least an hour, so an extra hour wouldn't really help.

It only wouldn't help for the two weeks before and after the winter solstice.

For me, it's dark by 5:30pm from about mid October (even with daylight savings) to the end of February. It's way more than two weeks.

And that's if you get out of work at 5 every day. Lots of us get out later (say, 6 or 6:30) and then have at least a half hour commute.

The only time I see the sun in winter is in the morning. With daylight savings in effect I lose that too. Those extra few weeks they tacked onto daylight savings at the end of October are dark and brutal.

Exactly.

Me too, which is why I'm asking. In fact, it's usually down by 4, and I typically get out at 6.

I'll take the welfare and educational benefits of children over your "precious few moments" thanks.

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