The Spanish government fucked up massively, and I wish the EU had more power to step in and moderate the situation.
By which you mean adults? Is indoctrination one of those irregular verbs?
* i convince * you indoctrinate * he is brainwashing
Or maybe the many accusations of events like this one http://baluartedigital.opennemas.com/articulo/separatismo/vi...
Of course, this is just an argument by authority; but if you look at the content, it's pretty clear that many of the supposed instances of bias are just factual reports that the report argues are instances of bias, but the way to eliminate that bias seems to be that it should be reminding the kids about the existence and goodness of Spain at every turn.
For example, end of page 17, the textbook says: "On 1700, the spanish king Charles II died without sons. Charles of Austria and Philip of Bourbon were the two candidates at the throne. The two sides fought in Succession War (1702-1714), which Philip won. Then, Philip V promulgated, as the new king, the Nueva Planta decrees (1716), which suppressed the laws and institutions of Catalonia, banned the use of catalan, and imposed the laws of Castille."
The report then goes to argue that "this presents the king of Spain as an unjust person that hates Catalonia".
End of page 15, start of 16, the textbook says: "Barcelona is the capital of both the autonomous community of Catalonia and of the province with the same name".
The report argues that "this presents Barcelona as the capital of Catalonia, as if it were the capital of a state, not as a city in a state with another capital" [when the textbook clearly says "Autonomous community of Catalonia"]
And on and on and on...
The second link fits into what I consider anecdote - a single case, that cannot be extrapolated to be evidence of a general case. See my other comment in this thread for a more elaborated response.
About the anecdote, a single case... there have been at least a couple dozen reported. Who knows how many were unreported. Even if they're kind of isolated, they show what kind of environment may exist in some places.
Personally I don't care, I don't have any stake on the matters. I don't like either side.
http://elmunicipio.es/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/mapa-adoctr...
What I'm asking is if there is any substantiated evidence that points to an effort by a sizable part of teachers, education departments, or the like. That's what I understand indoctrination would be. As far as I have been able to tell, there is none.
[1] https://twitter.com/elsmatins/status/923815123260772357 (you'll notice it was retweeted by Albiol himself)
That's an odd way to refer to that thing parents do when raising their kids. We call it 'talking' to them.
You make it sound so sinister - almost like parents were passing on their religion or something.
If you want education that resembles what is taught in public schools of the rest of the country, you need to pay for it.
How exactly is learning a language "indoctrination"? Are children indoctrinated when they're taught through Spanish?
“We are not even allowed to wear a bracelet to school with the Spanish flag’s colors, but you can wear one with the independence colors,” Ms. Camina said.
Ollala de Mora, 16, said: “People in school are really against Spain. Our teachers try to influence us. They say the Spain steals from us and the government is bad. If you think differently from that, they try to change your mind.”
That is indoctrination, and there are constant examples of this in daily life for decades. Only the thought of hating Spain is encourage, and less often the thought of coexistence. No wonder that things are like they are now.
And NY Times is one the biased media I see, clearing the supporting more the Catalonian side.
I have a hard time otherwise understanding the downvote, unless is someone downvoting anything that doesn't defend the Catalonian independentist movement downright.
Sorry, there are social circumstances which are very difficult to see and document, believe it or not.
* I am religious, you are holier-than-thou, they are extremist fundamentalists
* I am sexually experienced, you are kinky, they are being charged under section 70 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003
* I write self-documenting code, you need more comments, their code is unreadable
They could have also lost in that case. There has been a huge for-independance campaign spanning 20+ years and including indoctrination of former children that now can vote.
The last governments should not have ignored the problem, making instead an effort to provide objective information on what an independence entails. This is not something that you can level with a couple of months of "No" campaign.
My take on this is that we end up having to open a process to change the Constitution with an ensemble of unprepared politicians (on all sides of the table) that blocks the country for a couple of years (for reference, we have recently spent 18 months with a government in functions because we could not manage to vote the new president).
EDIT: It seems that some people didn't like "indoctrination". Ignore the word, my comment remains the same: education has been strongly focused on building a Catalan identity. It is not something that you level in a short term campaign. In Rajoy's shoes, this is something against his position.