Not by me. When I say Nazi, I specifically mean someone who publicly identifies with that group, uses their words, wears their clothes, and carries their flag: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/09/alt-weaken...
If you show up to a rally carrying a Nazi flag, I'll unapologetically call you a Nazi. It's only identity politics in the sense that I'm identifying the politics someone espouses based on the symbols and words they're using.
He was literally carrying a Nazi flag. That looks exactly like a Neo-Nazi.
> Is this similar to how Antifa attacks supporters of the evil Yamika wearing "Nazi" Ben Shapiro in Berkeley?
I can't speak for anyone but myself. I never apply that N-word to someone I merely disagree with. I reserve it for people who literally parade around in public saying "I wear the swastika, carry the flag, and say 'I am a Nazi'." That there are people willing and comfortable doing this makes me sad.
It's possible that he was a paid actor. It's not unheard of. Seeing people's inability to address this possibility proves it would be an effective tactic. IMO, he looks more like he works for the FBI than a Neo-Nazi, but YMMV.
> That there are people willing and comfortable doing this makes me sad.
I feel sad for those people as well. I have not met any in my life, but from watching documentaries, it seems like many of them have issues. Maybe I'm missing a large percentage of the population being closet Nazis, but somehow I don't think so. You would think they would come out of the closet by now, as many self-professed Communists do. I have not heard of a single self-professed Nazi come out of the closet lately. This whole Nazi thing smells like a hoax to me.
It includes a member of the Nation Socialist movement. You know - the Nazis. If he’s just an outside agitator, then he successfully conned the organizers to the point they listed him on the brochure.
It’s not a hoax. This is real.
That's true... before Identity Politics, white people had most of the money and power and authority in this country. But now thanks to Identity Politics, white people have only... well, most of the money and power and authority in this country.
Huh.
I hope that you can see that this is not a road that we want to go down.
To some elements of the the modern left (i.e. Antifa), it seems like anybody who does not agree with certain ideologies, such as "Equality" (in the Identity Politics sense; again "Equality" has a fuzzy meaning), is equated with being a Nazi.
To paraphrase what I wrote above, the White Nationalist (aka "the Nazis") movement only gains followers due to the prevalence of Identity Politics being used to affect policy benefiting certain minority groups. White Nationalism is Identity Politics for White People; seeking to use politics to benefit White People and/or creating a white ethno-state. Are you seeing the connection?
Is this any different from groups such as La Raza, the Black Panthers, or any other ethno-state group? If so, how?
It's a complicated domain. There are other measures of humanity, such as Freedom, Liberty, & Incentives for Fitness (i.e. Morality).
The root question is do the ends justify the means?
Do you want Equality of outcome so much that you are willing to adopt Fascism to achieve those aims? Even then, you won't have Equality. As in Animal Farm...
"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others"
The only way we can possibly achieve Equality is through death, & even then, the dead are unequally remembered.
I meant humanity as in the species, not as a quality.
>The root question is do the ends justify the means?
I do not believe the ends will ever justify the means, but that is just my opinion on the matter.
>Do you want Equality of outcome so much that you are willing to adopt Fascism to achieve those aims?
I'm personally satisfied with equality of chance such that everyone has an equal chance of doing what they want but are not guaranteed to succeed either.
If you mean equality of vote; it's just another version of equality of chance. Everyone gets a chance to vote and be voted for, the outcome may not be equality.
The other option is equality of outcome, which is antithetical to equality of vote.
>Why is violence required for your argument?
It's not. I recognize that sometimes violence is an inevitable outcome but everyone should be looking for non-violent means that make the least amount of people unhappy.
I don't think I ever made violence necessary for my argument tbh...
Nazi is a term loosely used today. Actual 3rd Reich Nazis commandeered by America & the Soviet Union after WW2. Wernher von Braun was a committed Nazi & was allegedly a willing participate in WW2 war crimes. See Operation Paperclip for more info.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Operation_Paperclip
> They are scared and powerless, looking for meaning in their empty lives, easily swayed, and not entirely unaware of some of the ironies.
White Nationalism is the natural response to Identity Politics. In a sense, I don't blame them for not taking the high road, since Identity Politics has not been kind toward white people & the majority of white people think they are discriminated against. Btw, every racial group thinks they are discriminated against, so it seems like Identity Politics leaves nobody happy.
http://www.npr.org/2017/10/24/559604836/majority-of-white-am...
This leads to the real problem being Identity Politics. White Nationalism, Black Power, La Raza, various Jewish groups, etc. are all entities that create dissonance in the communities of America. Whether the members have valid points or not, there is a sense of tribalism & the inherent backlash.
While it's healthy to promote heritage, legacy, & the positive aspects of a cultural identity; Identity Politics sows division by redistributing opportunity (which is unfair from a merit standpoint) & transferring wealth via government policy.
If we are to have a society based on hard work leading to just reward, where opportunity is given to all, then Identity Politics has no place in it. Even if Identity Politics were to balance opportunity, the underlying issues within communities are not addressed. Instead, the government manages opportunity leading to a culture of entitlement, laziness, dispute, grudges, & group hostility.