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Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by projectramo on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:19PM (#15535530)
This is actually hopeful since there are so many secondary and tertiary tech cities.

This means: we should all buy houses in the secondary tech hubs that are still affordable so our kids can afford to have families at tech firms when housing becomes unaffordable.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by pc86 on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:29PM (#15535642)
Or perhaps actually trying to fix the root issue rather than scrambling for the "F you, I got mine" route and buying property you don't need now on the speculation that its value will increase over the next decades.

Companies should be incentivized (by us, software developers) to hire remote workers for jobs that don't need to be physically in an office.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by projectramo on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:47PM (#15535811)
Please lay out your plan in more detail.

I just want to see the logic of this. You think I can put downward pressure on property prices by insisting on a remote job?

I don't think hiring companies take joy in making your life difficult. They would hire more remote workers if they felt it could work. I prefer working remotely but find it much harder to manage.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by eip on Tuesday October 24, 2017 @12:24PM (#15542811)
It's super easy. You just tell them my rate to work remote is X. My rate to work on site is 1.75X.

Been remote for 10+ years. Make bay area salary and live in a huge house on the beach.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by gowld on Monday October 23, 2017 @05:52PM (#15537232)
How did you fix the root issue?
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by refurb on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:09PM (#15536033)
Trust me, it's not different this time. The crazy hot housing markets will eventually falter and go down in price. It always happens and as interest rates start to rise it's going to happen in the not too distant future.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by x2f10 on Wednesday October 25, 2017 @12:47PM (#15551710)
I can't wait. I'm in the NW and housing is to the point that a 'starter family' is incapable of living in a 'starter home'. Studio apartments $1,200+.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by WalterSear on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:34PM (#15535687)
Self-driving cars are going to be rewriting the commute paradigm. It's important to factor that in.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by tezzer on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:50PM (#15535861)
So I still won't be able to see my kids awake because of a 1.5 hour commute each way, but I'll be able to read the newspaper on the way to work? No thanks.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by WalterSear on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:05PM (#15536008)
You do what you like.

I'll arrive at work at 11 for my first meeting, having gotten a solid 1.5 hours of uninterrupted work done already, and be wrapping up any collaboration in order to return to my mobile cubicle by 4.

Of course, I'll still be available via skype. The morning stand up may happen while everyone is leaving their driveway.

Soon enough this new daily routine is going to be about as disruptive to productivity in the office as taking lunch, since almost everyone with a car will taking advantage of it. The start and ends of business days are going to become 'private', with people keeping their heads down, and interacting via video and chat/mail as the norm, with face-to-face work performed during the middle of the day.

We may even have to do away with lunchtimes as we know them, since they take away from prime face-to-face work time. Or perhaps, with all the other communication going on, daily team-bonding time over food might be one of few on going reasons for direct interactions.

And vehicles are going to start being designed to be really comfortable to work/play in. Every mid-morning, people are going to have to choose between getting up from the work they are stuck into and moving to the desk in their office, or staying focused on the task at hand. Eventually, people are going to start choosing the privacy and comfort of their car over the relative space of a cubicle, and more and more people are going to start working from the parking lot. Companies may even start expecting a portion of their workforce to bring their own vehicles, in the manner of 'bring your own device' and alter/reduce their use of offices.

Of course, things could go the other way: in the city, you'll want to the car to go pick up the groceries and do errands, and then find a in a nice empty shaded spot out of town for the day, and to find a new spot if anyone sketchy shows up.

This is just one tiny, tiny change as we move from a civilizations of vehicles to a civilization of intelligent transport. Cars and buses are about to be replaced by the equivalent of very small mobile homes/buildings.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by nradov on Monday October 23, 2017 @06:48PM (#15537569)
You seem to think this is inevitable, but everything you described is highly speculative. There is no evidence that working habits will change as you predict. Plus a significant fraction of people find it impossible to work in cars due to motion sickness.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by riot504 on Monday October 23, 2017 @05:04PM (#15536923)
Why do we even need to get into any transportation system, why not work remotely 90% of the time?
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by WalterSear on Monday October 23, 2017 @05:11PM (#15536961)
Why don't we work remotely 90% of the time already?

There are deep seated biological and cultural reasons why current technologies don't replace physical proximity.

Some of the more important ones, such as networking, remote technologies can't even try to address. It's terrible for job seeking, lateral career changes and building connections.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by Apocryphon on Monday October 23, 2017 @08:03PM (#15538053)
Maybe VR/AR offices are the future. Certainly they'd present less legislative and social hurdles than self-driving cars.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by kaybe on Monday October 23, 2017 @05:10PM (#15536959)
Now that I think about it, self-driving cars might not be all that useful to me because if I'm not the driver I can only sleep or stare out of the window lest I get horrible motion sickness.

I wonder how many people are like this.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by wavefunction on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:24PM (#15536173)
@Walter

Sounds like a terribly inefficient and unsustainable lifestyle. Commuting just for stand up?

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by WalterSear on Monday October 23, 2017 @03:55PM (#15536418)
Commuting to collaborate with other people face-to-face for half the day.

How is this inefficient, unsustainable?

It provides the combination of private work and group interactions that are parcel of most white collar jobs. The vehicles will be electric, and many will probably spending any idle time at solar farms, to save on energy distribution costs, if they aren't being used as private offices. It is going to allow people to live where the want, and still do they work they want to.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by ghaff on Monday October 23, 2017 @04:18PM (#15536602)
It sounds as if it would make a lot more sense for people to agree on 2 days per week to be in the office and work remotely the other three or something along those lines.
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by GFischer on Monday October 23, 2017 @05:51PM (#15537227)
That's what they do at the company I work for (I'm at a remote location so I'm 100% remote for them).

I think it's the kind of setup that works best, for some kinds of software projects.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by WalterSear on Monday October 23, 2017 @04:30PM (#15536704)
And get up 1.5 hours earlier, two days a week, and get home 1.5 hours later, to sit in their cars?

Moreover: the cadence of business just won't let this happen, or it would be widespread already.

The chance that is coming is that cars drive themselves. As a consequence, part of the business day is going to be spent working during the commute.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by gowld on Monday October 23, 2017 @05:53PM (#15537240)
you could videochat with your kids on the way to work, or spend less time in office because you work during commute
Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by projectramo on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:44PM (#15535783)
This is a good point.

Note only will that time become productive time, but it might reduce traffic on the roads and reduce congestion.

Re:Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable hou... by WalterSear on Monday October 23, 2017 @02:50PM (#15535860)
The real estate to purchase right now is vacation homes 8 hours drive from the metropolitan areas.