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Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by ko27 on Saturday October 21, 2017 @06:04PM (#15523867)
I am talking about the infrared range, which is above 300GHz.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by cma on Sunday October 22, 2017 @12:44AM (#15525189)
The body also reflects terahertz radiation from the surrounding environment, even directly into other people's eyes. This has the bizarre side-effect of causing people to be able to "see" each other.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by slackingoff2017 on Sunday October 22, 2017 @01:02AM (#15525235)
This is great
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by manmal on Saturday October 21, 2017 @06:08PM (#15523892)
Interesting thought. Near infrared light does interact with cells (photobiomodulation), usually in a beneficial way. Maybe the wave form is another factor, or some frequency ranges are beneficial while others are not?
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by hutzlibu on Saturday October 21, 2017 @06:22PM (#15523947)
"some frequency ranges are beneficial while others are not"

Certainly. Heat is nice (if not too much), but x-ray is usually bad. Gamma-rays a lot worse. And cellphone radiation is probably somewhere in between ... so like the article cites: we don't know yet.

So I do not like sleeping next to my mobile nor have it next to lower body parts for too long ...

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by SigmundA on Saturday October 21, 2017 @07:55PM (#15524284)
X-rays and Gamma and all the way down to UV are ionizing which is why they are harmful. Radio waves are way below light and infrared as was stated.

Forget body heat, why does no one care we are walking around 60w terahertz radiators in our home! Then we go outside and bathe in 1000 watt per meter sunlight which includes ionizing UV.

Cell phones put out the equivalent of a low power LED light I am not sure way everyone assumes they cause harm but seem to ignore light bulbs.

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by phkahler on Saturday October 21, 2017 @09:30PM (#15524630)
Cell phones emit RF signals that penetrate the body. Lightbulbs for the most part do not. I've always considered the notion of antennas important. Your circulatory system may act as antennas of all different lengths and that would put the received energy right into the blood where it can cause leukemia or other similar cancers. Just speculation of course, but the proposed mechanism applies to RF and not light bulbs.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by ThrowawayR2 on Saturday October 21, 2017 @10:13PM (#15524776)
> Lightbulbs for the most part do not.

1) Take a flashlight

2) Put a finger over the bulb and turn it on

3) Observe the surprising amount of light that passes through your finger.

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by manmal on Sunday October 22, 2017 @01:21AM (#15525284)
Grandparent is right though since most of the blue and green light parts are reflected or absorbed in the top skin layers. Starting with red and infrared, deep tissue penetration is possible. The higher the frequency, the lower its ability to penetrate. That’s why RF can pass through bodies while UV light can’t.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by SigmundA on Sunday October 22, 2017 @08:55AM (#15526593)
Its not as simple as that, X-rays also penetrate but are much higher frequency than UV.

The difference as far as health concerns is X-rays cause DNA damage, RF will simply increase temperature.

Increase temperature enough and you cause tissue damage of course, but we are talking milliwatts at the transmitter point source that falls off at inverse square, again similar to the amount of heating you would get from a low power LED held near your skin, actually less since as you pointed out RF mainly passes right through us rather than being absorbed.

This stuff should continue to be studied, but so should the effects of much higher power light bulbs just in case there is some damaging mechanism yet to be discovered beyond heating your flesh.

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by kobeya on Saturday October 21, 2017 @09:42PM (#15524670)
How? “Into the blood” isn’t a mechanism. When was the last time you saw a lump of meat arc and spark? This is fear mongering.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by userbinator on Saturday October 21, 2017 @10:09PM (#15524765)
When was the last time you saw a lump of meat arc and spark?

Actually, Google "microwave meat sparking" and you'll find plenty of videos --- but in almost all the cases, the meat is cut in a very specific shape (with sharp edges) that makes it concentrate the RF, and of course being a microwave oven the power density is very high. A human body is, to a rough approximation, a bag of water. It will heat, mostly evenly, when exposed to RF (some parts like the eyes do not have good cooling, hence are more dangerous to irradiate, but this is still a conversation about power levels many orders of magnitude higher than a phone would produce.)

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by kobeya on Saturday October 21, 2017 @10:36PM (#15524848)
Microwaves aren’t RF. The frequency has a very specific interaction with water.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by keenerd on Saturday October 21, 2017 @11:19PM (#15525003)
> Microwaves aren’t RF.

Yes they are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_transmission

> The frequency has a very specific interaction with water.

No it doesn't: http://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2014/10/15/why-are-the-microwave...

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by kobeya on Sunday October 22, 2017 @04:18AM (#15525727)
Your link takes an award for missing the point. There is a resonant frequency of liquid water in the microwave range which is why tabletop microwaves use that range. They don’t emit a single frequency, no, but I don’t know anyone who claims they do...
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by keenerd on Sunday October 22, 2017 @08:05AM (#15526421)
> There is a resonant frequency of liquid water

Yes, I'll give you that

> in the microwave range

No. Water's first resonance is around 1THz, in the far infrared.

> which is why tabletop microwaves use that range.

No, they use 2.4GHz because that is what the FCC lets them use. The first microwave oven used 1GHz (https://www.google.com/patents/US2480679), later increased to 3GHz (https://www.google.com/patents/US2495429). Anything in that range will work.

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by TeMPOraL on Sunday October 22, 2017 @05:13AM (#15525846)
You literally just wrote microwaves aren't radio frequencies, which is wrong by the very definitions of "microwave" and "radio frequency".
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by kobeya on Sunday October 22, 2017 @07:56AM (#15526385)
Different fields define the EM energy spectrum differently based on use. You can either argue that "microwave" is one end of the "RF spectrum", or that "microwave" and "radio" are two separate sub-categories of EM energy. My field teaches to the latter.

In the end it is an uninteresting point however because it is an argument over what word to use, not fundamental differences in nature. The point I was making earlier which was misinterpreted was that microwave interacts with matter in a fundamentally different way than lower frequency RF, which is critically important to the topic of TFA. Microwaves excite dipoles on the atomic and bio-molecular scale. Lower frequency RF requires some sort of conductive material (or A LOT of energy) to form an antenna, on the other hand, which is why we are transparent to "RF" but not "microwave" (and hence, why some fields treat them separately).

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by keenerd on Sunday October 22, 2017 @08:23AM (#15526492)
What is your field? What textbook says that "microwave" and "radio" are different? I've been citing a lot of sources here. Just this one from you would be appreciated.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by manmal on Sunday October 22, 2017 @01:32AM (#15525310)
About the blood-vessels-as-antennas theory, I just want to throw in that blood vessels absorb infrared light well (well duh, blood is quite dark), so at least at that frequency energy is very much absorbed, rather than passed through.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by thaumasiotes on Saturday October 21, 2017 @06:31PM (#15523972)
Heat is not a frequency or a frequency range.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by pmontra on Saturday October 21, 2017 @07:24PM (#15524169)
It's quite complicated. Interesting read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by CyberDildonics on Saturday October 21, 2017 @08:56PM (#15524506)
I don't think the radiation heat transfer from microscopic bodies is the same as saying a human body emits infrared light on a macro scale.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by boooooo on Saturday October 21, 2017 @09:15PM (#15524566)
It does though, that's how infrared cameras work for one thing.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by CyberDildonics on Sunday October 22, 2017 @07:40AM (#15526309)
I think this is mixing up two different things.

People seem to emit infrared light, but that is not the light that people usually see through an infrared camera.

https://www.livescience.com/7799-strange-humans-glow-visible...

This is showing infrared and even visible light radiation from a person's body in extremely small amounts.

An infrared camera just sees infrared light period, the vast majority of which is what is reflecting off of someone from other sources.

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by BenjiWiebe on Saturday October 21, 2017 @10:37PM (#15524852)
Generally speaking, warm/hot objects radiate in the infrared range. In my understanding, all objects radiate something, unless at absolute zero.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by microcolonel on Saturday October 21, 2017 @11:55PM (#15525088)