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Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by phkahler on Saturday October 21, 2017 @09:30PM (#15524630)
Cell phones emit RF signals that penetrate the body. Lightbulbs for the most part do not. I've always considered the notion of antennas important. Your circulatory system may act as antennas of all different lengths and that would put the received energy right into the blood where it can cause leukemia or other similar cancers. Just speculation of course, but the proposed mechanism applies to RF and not light bulbs.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by ThrowawayR2 on Saturday October 21, 2017 @10:13PM (#15524776)
> Lightbulbs for the most part do not.

1) Take a flashlight

2) Put a finger over the bulb and turn it on

3) Observe the surprising amount of light that passes through your finger.

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by manmal on Sunday October 22, 2017 @01:21AM (#15525284)
Grandparent is right though since most of the blue and green light parts are reflected or absorbed in the top skin layers. Starting with red and infrared, deep tissue penetration is possible. The higher the frequency, the lower its ability to penetrate. That’s why RF can pass through bodies while UV light can’t.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by SigmundA on Sunday October 22, 2017 @08:55AM (#15526593)
Its not as simple as that, X-rays also penetrate but are much higher frequency than UV.

The difference as far as health concerns is X-rays cause DNA damage, RF will simply increase temperature.

Increase temperature enough and you cause tissue damage of course, but we are talking milliwatts at the transmitter point source that falls off at inverse square, again similar to the amount of heating you would get from a low power LED held near your skin, actually less since as you pointed out RF mainly passes right through us rather than being absorbed.

This stuff should continue to be studied, but so should the effects of much higher power light bulbs just in case there is some damaging mechanism yet to be discovered beyond heating your flesh.

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by kobeya on Saturday October 21, 2017 @09:42PM (#15524670)
How? “Into the blood” isn’t a mechanism. When was the last time you saw a lump of meat arc and spark? This is fear mongering.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by userbinator on Saturday October 21, 2017 @10:09PM (#15524765)
When was the last time you saw a lump of meat arc and spark?

Actually, Google "microwave meat sparking" and you'll find plenty of videos --- but in almost all the cases, the meat is cut in a very specific shape (with sharp edges) that makes it concentrate the RF, and of course being a microwave oven the power density is very high. A human body is, to a rough approximation, a bag of water. It will heat, mostly evenly, when exposed to RF (some parts like the eyes do not have good cooling, hence are more dangerous to irradiate, but this is still a conversation about power levels many orders of magnitude higher than a phone would produce.)

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by kobeya on Saturday October 21, 2017 @10:36PM (#15524848)
Microwaves aren’t RF. The frequency has a very specific interaction with water.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by keenerd on Saturday October 21, 2017 @11:19PM (#15525003)
> Microwaves aren’t RF.

Yes they are: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_transmission

> The frequency has a very specific interaction with water.

No it doesn't: http://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2014/10/15/why-are-the-microwave...

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by kobeya on Sunday October 22, 2017 @04:18AM (#15525727)
Your link takes an award for missing the point. There is a resonant frequency of liquid water in the microwave range which is why tabletop microwaves use that range. They don’t emit a single frequency, no, but I don’t know anyone who claims they do...
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by keenerd on Sunday October 22, 2017 @08:05AM (#15526421)
> There is a resonant frequency of liquid water

Yes, I'll give you that

> in the microwave range

No. Water's first resonance is around 1THz, in the far infrared.

> which is why tabletop microwaves use that range.

No, they use 2.4GHz because that is what the FCC lets them use. The first microwave oven used 1GHz (https://www.google.com/patents/US2480679), later increased to 3GHz (https://www.google.com/patents/US2495429). Anything in that range will work.

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by TeMPOraL on Sunday October 22, 2017 @05:13AM (#15525846)
You literally just wrote microwaves aren't radio frequencies, which is wrong by the very definitions of "microwave" and "radio frequency".
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by kobeya on Sunday October 22, 2017 @07:56AM (#15526385)
Different fields define the EM energy spectrum differently based on use. You can either argue that "microwave" is one end of the "RF spectrum", or that "microwave" and "radio" are two separate sub-categories of EM energy. My field teaches to the latter.

In the end it is an uninteresting point however because it is an argument over what word to use, not fundamental differences in nature. The point I was making earlier which was misinterpreted was that microwave interacts with matter in a fundamentally different way than lower frequency RF, which is critically important to the topic of TFA. Microwaves excite dipoles on the atomic and bio-molecular scale. Lower frequency RF requires some sort of conductive material (or A LOT of energy) to form an antenna, on the other hand, which is why we are transparent to "RF" but not "microwave" (and hence, why some fields treat them separately).

Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by keenerd on Sunday October 22, 2017 @08:23AM (#15526492)
What is your field? What textbook says that "microwave" and "radio" are different? I've been citing a lot of sources here. Just this one from you would be appreciated.
Re:5G Radiation Dangers (2016) by manmal on Sunday October 22, 2017 @01:32AM (#15525310)
About the blood-vessels-as-antennas theory, I just want to throw in that blood vessels absorb infrared light well (well duh, blood is quite dark), so at least at that frequency energy is very much absorbed, rather than passed through.