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Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by gph on Friday October 20, 2017 @01:24PM (#15517513)
>Instead, I've always thought they were good for those particularly difficult "he said / she said" cases that capture public attention.

I agree, but at what price point would you say it's worth it?

In principle I want bodycams, but with this new study it's making me wonder if pragmatically it's really worth spending millions of dollars each year just for a handful of difficult 'he said / she said' cases to be better resolved.

Probably it still is given that these small handful of cases get the biggest media attention / public backlash that hurts the image of the police. In that sense bodycams can almost be thought of as a public relations expense.

Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by dsr_ on Friday October 20, 2017 @01:31PM (#15517591)
Only millions? No problem at all.

Let's revise that estimate, though.

765,000 sworn state-level personnel in 2008. We'll round up to a million.

At $1000 each for hardened, certified cameras, that's a billion dollars. But we should expect them to last about three years, so $333M each year.

Storage costs are cheap, but secure handling of storage is not. Let's say one full-time $100K employee per hundred camera-wearing officers. That's a billion dollars per year.

So I'll go with a cost estimate of 1.3 - 1.5 billion per year for cameras for all police officers.

Is that worth it? I think so.

Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by fredophile on Friday October 20, 2017 @01:46PM (#15517711)
$1000 is way too high. I bought a helmet cam in 2009 that was designed for military applications (fairly robust, easy to change AA batteries) and it cost about $300-400 back then. Looking for fairly robust cameras I can see that the action camera in Olympus Tough lineup is currently selling for $350. I've seen other cameras in this product line take a good beating and come out fine.

Obviously there would be additional costs (memory cards, readers, batteries, chargers, harness, etc) but I don't see why it would come to more than $500-600 per person at most.

Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by Clubber on Friday October 20, 2017 @05:52PM (#15519359)
About $450 a pop with dock. Storage is expensive though. Cameras on all times and retention for 90 days is what this particular department had.

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2017-09-24/police-wei...

Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by jandrese on Friday October 20, 2017 @01:35PM (#15517625)
Why is the lifetime so short? Are the batteries non-replaceable? I'd definitely be looking into replacing worn out batteries on $1000 devices.
Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by dsr_ on Friday October 20, 2017 @01:43PM (#15517691)
Oh, it will probably go down over time, but remember that police departments aren't going to go out and buy $399 Go-Pros.

No, they'll be buying tactical harnesses and military-tough specially cased relabeled $299 Go-Pros for $999 for each complete system, from a certified minority-owned business in partnership with Halliburton.

Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by Banthum on Saturday October 21, 2017 @05:26AM (#15521273)
The way you chained that together was almost musical.
Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by lostlogin on Friday October 20, 2017 @01:43PM (#15517688)
And yet many people don’t on their phones that cost close to this.
Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by jandrese on Friday October 20, 2017 @03:52PM (#15518688)
Back in the days when you could replace the batteries on most phones they would be badly obsolete and unsupported in 3 years. Even today it's a bit iffy on spending the $50 to replace a battery in a 3 year old Android phone.

A camera won't become obsolete nearly as fast. Assuming the cops shoot in HD today (it would be really dumb if they didn't) then that will still be HD tomorrow. Maybe not 4k, but honestly I don't think 4k brings a lot to the table at this time in this application.

Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by MertsA on Saturday October 21, 2017 @03:28PM (#15523187)
I disagree, human vision is pretty amazing with a huge field of view and while the amount of detail is only really high at the center of vision to match what an officer can make out you'd pretty much need a lot of detail everywhere. I don't think we'll see affordable 4k body cameras for a while but there's definitely benefits to recording in 4k.
Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by jandrese on Friday October 20, 2017 @01:32PM (#15517598)
Those he said/she said events can turn into multi-million dollar lawsuits really quickly. It only takes a couple of incidents for the cameras to pay for themselves.

The data storage issue is definitely a concern, but I think it is one that can be effectively managed.

Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by larrykwg on Friday October 20, 2017 @05:25PM (#15519211)
wait but wouldn't the states have to pay for those lawsuits if the video evidence showed the cop doing the thing? Ohh I guess the narrative is that the police is most often wrongfully accused of wrongdoing, costing the state millions, which the cameras could help to clear up. Fnord.
Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by corey_moncure on Friday October 20, 2017 @01:29PM (#15517566)
An economic solution lies in wait. What is the impact of settlements in "he said / she said" cases resolved in the defendant's favor? Is it "millions of dollars each year"?
Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by magnetic on Friday October 20, 2017 @07:35PM (#15519817)
I don't know if that works... I mean, even if it's millions of $ each year that PD have to settle/pay, why does it hurt them? Aren't they simply going to pass that cost back to the taxpayers?
Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by PhasmaFelis on Friday October 20, 2017 @08:38PM (#15520031)
Police departments have budgets, not blank checks. If the police come to the local government saying they need an extra umpty-million this year because they keep getting sued for brutality, questions are going to be asked.
Re:A Test of Police Body Cameras Defies Expectations by magnetic on Sunday October 22, 2017 @12:16AM (#15525135)
Certainly, but at the end of the day, they'll say: "well if we don't get $x then we will have to cut the force. If we don't pay our officers, they are just going to leave." What do you do then? You can fire people you hold accountable, but that isn't going to fix your budget situation: if you don't fund the PD, the services are going to be cut, and taxpayers are going to be impacted.