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Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by nojvek on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @09:06PM (#15504646)
Until I see AlphaGo zero defeating StockFish 100-0 and with same algorithm defeating best Go AI and killing the Atari games including montezuma’s revenge, I call this hype bullshit.

Give me your results on OpenAI gym in a variety of different styles of games including GTA and WoW. I will believe you if a generic unsupervised algorithm running on a single machine is absolutely destroying the best players.

Until then ...

Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by taneq on Thursday October 19, 2017 @01:56AM (#15505746)
Just like Lee Se-dol is a Go grandmaster, beats Gary Kasparov at chess and can also get a perfect score in Pac-Man, right? I mean, if you can't do all of those things then are you even a human-level intelligence?
Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by romaniv on Thursday October 19, 2017 @10:07AM (#15507965)
This just illustrates that surpassing "human level" performance is a silly and arbitrary benchmark, because there is no such thing as general human level performance. But I bet Kasparov would be pretty good at Go, and Sedol would be pretty good at chess.

Universality is the real hard problem of AI. In the long run, a mediocre AI that does a lot of different things is far more useful that most targeted "superhuman" AIs. Most domains simply don't require better-than-human performance, but could still reap tremendous benefits from automation.

Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by taneq on Thursday October 19, 2017 @08:30PM (#15512700)
Agreed. It's great that we have domain-specific approaches that can beat humans in their domain (and that we're learning how to make these approaches more generic so that, with re-training, they can adapt to new domains), but the real "oh snap" moment will be when we build something that's barely-adequate but widely adaptable. Something with the adaptability of a corvid or an octopus, say. If we get to that level, it'll mean we've discovered the "universal glue" that joins specialist networks together into a conscious entity.
Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by red75prime on Thursday October 19, 2017 @01:15AM (#15505624)
You forget to add "running on 20 watts of power". It's not reasonable to require it to run on a single machine, when brain performance is estimated to be more than 10 petaflops.
Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by Tepix on Thursday October 19, 2017 @04:41AM (#15506374)
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. If not, I suggest you look at the cartoon at http://www.kurzweilai.net/robot-learns-self-awareness
Re:AlphaGo Zero: Learning from scratch by goatlover on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @09:23PM (#15504724)
Add Pacman and Pitfall to the list. Humans have played perfect games of both. My understanding is DeepMind performed poorly on those games.