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Re:The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to sho... by denzil_correa on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @04:01PM (#15502432)
> All research should be taken with a grain of salt.

The very fact of science is that you can take the same experiment and under the said assumptions; you can repeat the same experiment yourself and come to similar conclusions as the one done by the original scientists.

> I doubt that mom and pop have the cash to do research. And I sure as hell won't trust any mom and pop research about pharmacology.

AD Hominem fallacy - the status of someone has no relation to the outcome of a scientific experiment.

Re:The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to sho... by gaius on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @04:42PM (#15502820)
The very fact of science is that you can take the same experiment and under the said assumptions; you can repeat the same experiment yourself and come to similar conclusions as the one done by the original scientists

Except that you can't: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39054778

Science is facing a "reproducibility crisis" where more than two-thirds of researchers have tried and failed to reproduce another scientist's experiments, research suggests

Re:The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to sho... by alexanderstears on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @04:20PM (#15502594)
AD Hominem fallacy - the status of someone has no relation to the outcome of a scientific experiment.

That's not what the parent comment is arguing. The parent comment points out that research is expensive and not available equally to all groups.

The status of mom and pop doesn't effect the outcome of their research. Mom and pop weighing R&D against making their mortgage that month usually means they don't invest much in research.

Re:The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to sho... by denzil_correa on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @04:30PM (#15502711)
The grand parent comment does venture in that territory the moment the commentator says this

> And I sure as hell won't trust any mom and pop research about pharmacology.

Regardless of Mom and Pop store investments, the outcome of scientific experiments don't depend on who does the experiments.

Re:The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to sho... by alexanderstears on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @05:19PM (#15503227)
I'll give the grand parent that benefit of the doubt - pharmacology research is expensive, there's a reason that most of the companies who develop pharmaceuticals have multi-billion dollar market caps.
Re:The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to sho... by asdfasfhretwt on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @04:26PM (#15502656)
If only there was a way that millions of mops and pops could club together to fund research into areas that might benefit them all...
Re:The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to sho... by alexanderstears on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @05:22PM (#15503255)
If there were a way we'd surely see them opt-into that arrangement.
Re:The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to sho... by asdfasfhretwt on Thursday October 19, 2017 @02:55PM (#15510591)
Many do via donations to charities.
Re:The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to sho... by bllguo on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @04:16PM (#15502549)
It has a relation to the ability of someone to actually conduct an experiment... Larger groups have more resources, from knowledge to experience to money.

It is not an ad hominem fallacy. I don't know how you twisted his meaning to come to that conclusion.

Re:The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to sho... by athenot on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @04:22PM (#15502606)
Louis Pasteur and Pierre & Marie Curie fit the description of "mom and pop research", as compared to today's labs, yet their findings are still valid.
Re:The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to sho... by Broken_Hippo on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @04:36PM (#15502764)
That level is still somewhat prohibitive for a lot of folks. Schooling alone can cost quite a bit, and without this a lot of places won't take you seriously regardless of your self-study. This aspect alone makes the person unable to reach Pasteur or Curie's "mom and pop research" level.

Not to mention supplies. I worked as a lab assistant for a dude studying the effects of zebra mussels in closed freshwater lake systems in Indiana (dams and whatnot, where the mussel would need to have been introduced to the lake). Microscopes capable of counting the young, ventilation hoods (for preservation chemicals), scales, and methods of disposing of biowaste from the traps for adults? Yeah, that's even more - and this dude had a pretty low budget. What he did have was the time to put into the research which is yet another thing that alludes folks. Some fields of study really needs better equipment than we were using - plus it has been 20 years since then.

It isn't that the low-budget stuff or the "mom and pop research" is less valid or not good enough. It is that even that level is cost-prohibitive.

Re:The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to sho... by selectodude on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @06:39PM (#15503889)
Marie Curie died of acute radiation poisoning, so I guess it's just a matter of how little you're worried about the effects of what you're working with. :)
Re:The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to sho... by Broken_Hippo on Thursday October 19, 2017 @12:08PM (#15509122)
Well, that really depends on whether or not you know the effects of what you are working with. It is really easy to be careless with such things when folks don't really know the effects. Even when she died, she didn't say much about the radiation effects.

Heck, we used xrays to fit shoes on people long after she died.[1] I'm sure part of that was humans being slow to regulate it, but still.

Knowing that x or y substance is dangerous brings a different perspective, I think. By the time I worked with formaldehyde, we knew we needed some precautions. I also think it is wise to consider age and mental capacity: IF someone isn't old enough to have full adult rights (including drinking, warring, and renting cars) they probably shouldn't be able to decide to not be careful. But then again, by the time one is educated to today's standards, they are old enough.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe-fitting_fluoroscope

Re:The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to sho... by Sharlin on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @04:31PM (#15502721)
That was then, now is now. There are few low-hanging fruits left these days. Especially in a field where showing any effect practically requires a sample size of dozens to hundreds and an observation period of years to decades.
Re:The Mars company has sponsored hundreds of studies to sho... by denzil_correa on Wednesday October 18, 2017 @04:32PM (#15502728)
> I don't know how you twisted his meaning to come to that conclusion.

Because the comment also mentioned this

> And I sure as hell won't trust any mom and pop research about pharmacology.

The comment essentially means that peer reviewed scientific experimental results from mom & pop are untrustworthy over big companies.