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Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by tootie on Sunday October 15, 2017 @12:55PM (#15477949)
So are the 45% or so of voters who picked Trump knowing he opposed internet privacy.
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by godelski on Sunday October 15, 2017 @02:53PM (#15478578)
Having moved to the south, and in an area where the percentage of Trump voters (and current supporters) are the VAST majority, they don't know about this stuff. And if you try to explain what data can be gathered they don't really believe you. Let alone saying what can be done, or the damages of that data being hacked. Though this Equifax thing has been helping me convey the importance to them.

tldr: They aren't aware. They aren't techies.

P.S. We're in a two party system. Just because you agree with some policies doesn't mean you agree with all policies.

Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by bjelkeman-again on Sunday October 15, 2017 @07:51PM (#15480016)
I think a large part of your problem is your voting system. Representative democracy with proportional representation and no gerrymandering is what is needed, imho.
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by Bud on Sunday October 15, 2017 @01:22PM (#15478045)
Most of those voters probably have a very poor or non-existent understanding of internet privacy and an even poorer understanding of government's impact on internet privacy.
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by tootie on Sunday October 15, 2017 @02:42PM (#15478496)
I think some gross generalization. Reddit's Trump community were pretty strongly supportive of privacy and net neutrality but just decided Trump was ok anyway.
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by Bud on Sunday October 15, 2017 @08:49PM (#15480171)
Reddit's Trump community? So basically, you're talking about the top 0.001% of Trump voters in tech savviness, just by virtue of them being on reddit.
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by sixothree on Sunday October 15, 2017 @02:54PM (#15478587)
My theory is that right wing voters do not really care about policy. They seem to respond more the displays of strength.
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by tootie on Sunday October 15, 2017 @03:12PM (#15478704)
That's a bingo. Exhibit A is Trump giving the keynote at the Values Voters Summit.
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by cmurf on Sunday October 15, 2017 @01:36PM (#15478096)
Or they do not care about privacy, they only care about their taxes being lowered while believing that voting GOP will get them lowered taxes.
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by chronicy292 on Sunday October 15, 2017 @11:26PM (#15480643)
Yep. Software engineer at Google in Mountain View here. I voted for Trump.

I literally do not give a damn about anything else other than lowering my taxes. I don't care about climate change (it is being accelerated by humans, I agree) and I literally don't care about BART or SF public transit or homelessness. Just give me my clean air vehicle tag so I can drive in the carpool lane as a single driver in my Model S.

Yes, there are tens of thousands of people like me in the bay area.

Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by wfo on Sunday October 15, 2017 @11:58PM (#15480736)
You are quite right to point this out so explicitly. It is something we all have to deal with -- the way that wealth and power and privilege insulate people from having to care about anything other than their own excess and immunize people against normal human emotions like empathy, kindness, the ability to recognize and appreciate your own luck and consider the misfortune of others, etc.

STEM folks are the most susceptible to this, I think -- working in a technical field tends to isolate you from other people. Being wealthy and working in a technical field is horribly alienating. You literally, over time, lose the capacity to understand others or consider them as people.

Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by tootie on Monday October 16, 2017 @05:04PM (#15486649)
Double for working in the valley which is like a giant tech worker gated community.
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by shadowchair on Monday October 16, 2017 @04:17AM (#15481639)
Out of curiosity, do you not care about breathing unhealthy air? Are you aware we just had 5 or so days of unhealthy air (worse than Beijing air quality) because of the wildfires to our north, which are being worsened and increased by climate change? -- https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/09/why-is-2...
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by rhizome on Sunday October 15, 2017 @06:18PM (#15479657)
Trump's base is white people, not (necessarily) dumb people.
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by gerdesj on Sunday October 15, 2017 @08:31PM (#15480123)
That's facile and incredibly trite. His base is voters, regardless of creed, race, colour or intelligence.

I'm not a Trump fan (nor even American) but I think your analysis of skin colour based demographics is probably flawed in some way.

Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by Dylan16807 on Sunday October 15, 2017 @06:33PM (#15479713)
People aren't dumb for having a poor grasp on internet privacy.
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by rhizome on Sunday October 15, 2017 @07:28PM (#15479940)
True! I should have been more specific about the form of ignorance.
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by r00fus on Sunday October 15, 2017 @03:17PM (#15478739)
A large portion of those voters are paranoid about the government taking their stuff and keeping lists.

Yet if it's privatized it's ok.

Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by axaxs on Sunday October 15, 2017 @03:04PM (#15478663)
Oh, as opposed to all the internet privacy the last administration(s) gave us?
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by throwawayjava on Sunday October 15, 2017 @05:23PM (#15479378)
Setting the whataboutism aside, you're also wrong.

I think it's fair to say that the (potential for) harm wasn't sufficiently strong in the public psyche to justify White House-level attention prior to (and probably including) W Bush. Also, the distinction between ISP and Telco was still sufficiently weak that existing Telco regulations designed to protect consumer privacy still had teeth when applied to ISPs. It wasn't until the Obama admin that ISPs starting suing to disentangle themselves from Telco regulations.

As for Obama, well... if you haven't heard net neutrality described as "obamacare for the internet", then you're not paying attention. But there's only so much anyone can do with out controlling the Legislative branch.

Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by axaxs on Sunday October 15, 2017 @10:56PM (#15480558)
This is about privacy, not net neutrality. I wouldn't conflate the two.
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by throwawayjava on Monday October 16, 2017 @09:58AM (#15483208)
Again, you're just wrong. Selling/sharing consumer browsing activity were both components of the FCC net neutrality rules.
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by axaxs on Monday October 16, 2017 @10:10AM (#15483280)
Did you actually read the article, or are you just really stretching to be able to say 'wrong'...
Re:US telcos appear to be selling non-anonymized access to c... by throwawayjava on Monday October 16, 2017 @12:03PM (#15484211)
> Did you actually read the article, or are you just really stretching to be able to say 'wrong'...

No, really, your assertion that Obama-era Net Neutrality rules and privacy rules are disconnected is simply wrong! See "What does that have to do with privacy? " on https://www.epic.org/privacy/netneutrality/

When people talk about rolling back FCC rules on net neutrality, they are -- by definition! -- talking about rolling back these privacy protections. There's no debate to be had here.

More generally, you may be confused by timelines. Hopefully this will help:

pre-2014: Phone companies and ISPs begin tracking customers.

2014 - 2016: FCC begins process of cracking down on this sort of behavior (e.g., see top comment on this story).

2017: FCC reverses course on that crackdown.

Perhaps you are claiming that there wasn't a substantive change in valence on the issue of consumer privacy within the FCC and other regulatory agencies over the past six months. And perhaps "net neutrality" means something very specific do you. But that doesn't mean that late Obama-era net neutrality rules weren't aimed and strengthening privacy protections. They were.