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Re:ChrysaLisp – A 64-bit Lisp OS with GUI by zokier on Friday October 13, 2017 @01:27PM (#15467613)
> But cool is not enough to win in the real world

But is winning in the real world really important? OPs question was after all "Does this roughly offer the same benefits that the old lisp machines provided", and as LISP machines did not really win in the real world the first time around, I don't think that is really prerequisite for bringing the benefits of a LISP machine.

Re:ChrysaLisp – A 64-bit Lisp OS with GUI by tyingq on Friday October 13, 2017 @01:35PM (#15467671)
I was asking more about the productivity benefits, versus any performance boost a "made for lisp" ISA might offer...
Re:ChrysaLisp – A 64-bit Lisp OS with GUI by lisper on Friday October 13, 2017 @03:18PM (#15468530)
Productivity measured against what quality metric? For getting code written fast, Lisp is pretty good. For writing an operating system on which you can run a web server that will be competitive with nginx on Linux in terms of requests-per-second, probably not so much.
Re:ChrysaLisp – A 64-bit Lisp OS with GUI by goldfeld on Friday October 13, 2017 @11:19PM (#15470510)
Maturity? Gets out of the way? Advanced documentation/learning material? Wealth of prior work solutions to common patterns? It's not so hard to guess what any developer's productivity is hinged on.
Re:ChrysaLisp – A 64-bit Lisp OS with GUI by tyingq on Friday October 13, 2017 @03:58PM (#15468824)
I asked because many people that used them called out the machines as being very productive...above and beyond lisp. Another comment here suggests it might have been CLIM.
Re:ChrysaLisp – A 64-bit Lisp OS with GUI by lisper on Friday October 13, 2017 @04:19PM (#15468946)
Ah. A lot of that was because the LispMs had really good IDEs at a time when IDEs were all but unheard of. This was possible because it's a lot easier to write an IDE for Lisp than for C. But all that can be re-created at the application level (obviously because IDEs are applications). There's no need for a system-level Lisp to get that win.

In fact, Clozure Common Lisp is a perfect example. It provides (IMHO) 80-90% of the productivity advantages of a LispM when you run it on a Mac (because the IDE is Mac-specific).

Re:ChrysaLisp – A 64-bit Lisp OS with GUI by didibus on Saturday October 14, 2017 @01:46AM (#15470967)
I'm intrigued too, what's the 20-10% that's missing that was present in the LispMs?
Re:ChrysaLisp – A 64-bit Lisp OS with GUI by lisper on Saturday October 14, 2017 @12:00PM (#15472714)
Mainly the ability to write and debug system code with the same ease as you debug application code.