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Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by true_tuna on Sunday October 08, 2017 @10:46PM (#15431259)
Yes. All the jobs. Drivers, luggage handlers. The salad cook is just another in the long line of manual jobs that can be done quicker, better, cheaper by a robot. So now what? What job do we guide our children into? What jobs are left as the fall through for kids who decline formal training? I don't know, but we need to answer that question quickly.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by yann63 on Monday October 09, 2017 @03:09AM (#15432038)
Is it the question we should ask?

I'd prefer to ask another question: is it time to change our society, to go away from paid jobs? A job is one of the things that currently defines us, one of the first questions you ask someone you just met is often to know what job they are in.

If all jobs were automated, we could have more interesting occupations: taking care of our childrens, elders, neighbors, growing our garden, reading, art, etc. Many sci-fi authors saw the job being automated and society changing toward this. The question is how to we make the transition.

Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by JoeSloth on Monday October 09, 2017 @03:48AM (#15432139)
Keep in mind that the transition wont be from black to white or visa versa.. We're talking about a gradual change over a decade and a half a least. In the meantime there will be an uptake in jobs that support this type of automation.. physically building the thing, building the digital experience(Design, UX, Backend architecture, process, branding) as well as ancillary jobs like IT support, installation, IT, legal, union, whatever.

It will be less drastic than people anticipate, as always with automation/ai. Different jobs will become more available and (hopefully) the value of those jobs will increase. Manual/tedious jobs that used to be considered low-brow will hopefully become "artisanal" or appreciated, and fill the gap.

A butcher used to be a respectable profession that would earn an honest days living. Maybe now, instead of a butcher working for his employer (with a cashier, accountant, manager, sales person), they will operate as their own employer. Other micro-focused based companies will handle the other needs for a fraction of the cost.

In the end, efficiency prevails with capitalism and tech in general.. Having a population with a low work force seems both inefficient and impractical. Life will find a way...

Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by allenz on Monday October 09, 2017 @03:22AM (#15432072)
For a realist, the question is whether people with power benefit from your proposed change, or whether they are invested in the current system. If the system doesn't change, then robots may be detrimental.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by dvdhnt on Sunday October 08, 2017 @11:03PM (#15431326)
> The salad cook is just another in the long line of manual jobs that can be done quicker, better, cheaper by a robot.

Allow me to be sentimental for a moment. I agree that some jobs, perhaps even most, can be done "better" by a robot. At least, if we're defining better as more cheaply or "to spec". However, when I go to a nice restaurant, I go because I enjoy the Chef's style, their ability to express their art through cooking. Sure, a robot could do something like that, especially at chains like Burger King, but for my personal incentive to dine at a restaurant, it's unlikely a robot could do a "better" job than a human chef.

That said, you're right, we need to avoid the foolishness of passing the buck when asking "what will our children do?" We can't agree on social issues now, how the hell will we agree when even more people are unable to contribute meaningfully?

Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by cookingrobot on Monday October 09, 2017 @01:09AM (#15431699)
People will prefer meals cooked by robots for the same reason they listen to recorded music. Everyone will have access to the best creations of the best chefs, instead of today where the closest you can get is watching them cook on tv. It will be a new media where artists can directly share their work with the world.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by PhasmaFelis on Monday October 09, 2017 @03:22AM (#15432074)
Most people enjoy recorded music, but most people also like to see their favorite artists live, when they can. I think it's the same thing.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by Mediterraneo10 on Monday October 09, 2017 @08:49AM (#15433349)
> but most people also like to see their favorite artists live, when they can

Citation needed. Live music is a healthy economy, but I am not sure a majority of listeners of a given artist are particularly driven to go to that artist's concerts. I suspect only a passionate minority is interested.

Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by PhasmaFelis on Monday October 09, 2017 @06:15PM (#15437893)
It's still enough to support an extremely healthy global live-music industry. I don't see handmade food being different.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by jamesrcole on Monday October 09, 2017 @03:13AM (#15432048)
Here's an alternative perspective to consider: what if the artistry is in the design of the dishes, and the automated systems could be used for implementing that design. That could lead to good food being cheaper and more accessible to more people.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by greenleafjacob on Monday October 09, 2017 @05:03AM (#15432376)
In the future, we will probably download food designs from a food app store, and use our food printer to fabricate the food.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by dagw on Monday October 09, 2017 @03:40AM (#15432115)
I go because I enjoy the Chef's style, their ability to express their art through cooking.

Even at many restaurants today the person who's name is above the door as it where rarely touches the food. So as long as that person is the one who is responsible for designing the recipes and menus and plating what difference does it really make if the dish you are served was prepared by a robot or whatever line chef happened to be on duty that day?

Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by PhasmaFelis on Monday October 09, 2017 @03:20AM (#15432069)
I think there will still be professional chefs for a long, long time, for all the reasons you give, and I'm fine with that. But short-order cooks and burger-flippers could be replaced without any loss to the culture--assuming that we can find a way for those people to live happily without needing to prove their worthiness through labor.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by umanwizard on Sunday October 08, 2017 @11:15PM (#15431360)
So the maybe 10% of people who fetishize artisanry will still create demand for service jobs. But this is an edge case.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by allenz on Monday October 09, 2017 @03:24AM (#15432078)
Also, maybe 10% of chefs view their work as art, rather than as a way to earn money.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by KekDemaga on Monday October 09, 2017 @12:04PM (#15435034)
That number is probably less than 1%, those stories about chefs being so inspired by ingredients and just wanting to share that vision with the world are written by marketers.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by astrodust on Monday October 09, 2017 @12:14AM (#15431540)
Someone's going to have to clean all those robots, top up their various fluids, and patch their firmware until some startup bros in Silicon Valley disrupt that market too.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by ekianjo on Sunday October 08, 2017 @11:30PM (#15431409)
> What jobs are left as the fall through for kids who decline formal training?

Robot cleaners, maintenance, etc... I highly doubt we will have a fully automated robot loop that takes care of themselves anytime soon, so there's always going to be a need for humans in the chain.

Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by gallerdude on Monday October 09, 2017 @12:09AM (#15431524)
Well yeah, but we reach a point where we don't have a job available to say, 30% of the potential workforce. I don't think robot maintenance will be the next retail or warehouse employee.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by greglindahl on Monday October 09, 2017 @01:14AM (#15431714)
We made the transition from subsistence agriculture to now. 90%+ of the population used to tend crops.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by ekianjo on Monday October 09, 2017 @02:24AM (#15431905)
Exactly. Funny how most people seem to completely forget that little detail of recent history.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by TeMPOraL on Monday October 09, 2017 @03:53AM (#15432152)
What matters is if there is anything to transition to.

A strong argument is made that the options for new jobs are rapidly diminishing, as automation eliminates jobs by skill level, while at the same time the economy is not giving people time to retrain (people most imperilled by automation are usually those living paycheck-to-paycheck). Those two things were not simultaneously true in the past.

Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by ekianjo on Monday October 09, 2017 @05:32AM (#15432479)
> What matters is if there is anything to transition to.

There will always be something to transition to. It's not because we cannot imagine it that it means there is nothing ahead of us. Like 75% of the jobs people have nowadays did not exist 100 years ago, and nobody at that time could have imagined them.

Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by TeMPOraL on Monday October 09, 2017 @09:18AM (#15433503)
Eventually, maybe. That still doesn't solve the immediate problem: jobs are beginning to disappear now, there's no replacement in sight, and the economy doesn't allow for the need to retrain mass amounts of people. This is a recipe for disaster (the bloody kind).
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by ben_w on Monday October 09, 2017 @05:27AM (#15432461)
The massively disruptive translation that completely overthrew the existing social orders worldwide, allowing a few small European nations to conquer most of the world and force an unwanted drugs trade on what had, for several thousand years previously, been the world superpower? The transition which directly to the rise of both communism and capitalism as viable nation-scale forms of government?

Sure, humans will go on (unless we nuke outselves), but that doesn’t mean it will be easy or fun to live through if we just presume it’ll all be fine.

Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by mbaha on Monday October 09, 2017 @02:56AM (#15431992)
That's mainly because the rate of change is far greater. Will need to get used to it though.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by greeneggs on Monday October 09, 2017 @12:08AM (#15431519)
Few people are guiding their kids to be salad cooks. But for cooks, this is probably good news. If they can do their jobs more efficiently, there should be more restaurants, and more jobs.
Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by Swizec on Sunday October 08, 2017 @10:50PM (#15431274)
Robot repairperson.

I hear the stand-in-line-as-a-service industry is growing as well. Anyone with a lot of free time can get paid to stand in line. It’s great! Who wouldn’t want such a bright future?

Re:A Robot Makes a Mean Caesar Salad, but Will It Cost Jobs? by derefr on Sunday October 08, 2017 @11:00PM (#15431320)
Do you think the average salesperson would be willing to sell an item to a telepresence robot carrying a credit card? If so, I'm not sure the waiting-in-line industry will survive much longer either.