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Re:Show HN: Hacker News desktop application in Kotlin/Swing by hota_mazi on Sunday October 08, 2017 @12:29AM (#15426975)
> There's a reason Java became such a big platform for business applications and it isn't because it cared about fashion fads.

There's a reason why Java completely failed on the desktop: Swing.

> Which do you care more about: it works, or it looks good?

Both. I care about both. And you should too.

But Swing developers got used to only being able to have one. At most.

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Re:Show HN: Hacker News desktop application in Kotlin/Swing by erikbye on Sunday October 08, 2017 @04:53AM (#15427494)
Completely failed? JetBrains' IDEs seem awfully popular, and they are all Java and Swing.
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Re:Show HN: Hacker News desktop application in Kotlin/Swing by hota_mazi on Sunday October 08, 2017 @10:09AM (#15428252)
Can you name another very popular and very good looking Swing application?

Even if you can, you can count them on one hand. Swing was a massive failure, and rightfully so, because Swing/JavaFX apps look, and more importantly, feel, like a broken mess.

In contrast, SWT/JFace apps look a lot more native and feel extremely snappy. Apps build on the Eclipse RCP are in general pretty decent looking and they enable all the native controls and functionalities of the host platform.

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Re:Show HN: Hacker News desktop application in Kotlin/Swing by megaman22 on Sunday October 08, 2017 @08:50AM (#15428016)
Jetbrains IDEs could almost have an NCurses GUI, and they would be worth using. How pretty they are is mostly orthogonal.
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Re:Show HN: Hacker News desktop application in Kotlin/Swing by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Sunday October 08, 2017 @08:55AM (#15428026)
> Both. I care about both. And you should too.

Why? What value is looking good? There's value in a well designed responsive UX, but how it looks is completely meaningless to me because it doesn't help me get shit done.

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