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Re:The Librem 5 Development Roadmap and Progress by freedomben on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @11:17PM (#15406496)
Like many, I strongly hope this succeeds. My biggest concern is that the lack of apps and app ecosystem will doom the project to either low market adoption and/or failure.

It would be fantastic if there were a way to run Android apps. Even if they need to be rebuilt for the platform, at least not requiring developers to re-write their app would be a huge start. Also getting support into things like React Native would be good. Most developers I know (including myself) are willing to build apps for different platforms, but aren't necessarily willing to make big code changes or do rewrites/ports that involve lots of effort. Whatever can be done to help make it easy for devs to get their apps running would likely be a good investment. Developers, developers, developers!

Re:The Librem 5 Development Roadmap and Progress by 482794793792894 on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @11:51PM (#15406578)
There's https://anbox.io/. I don't know, though, if there's any limitation that prevents using this on the Librem 5.
Re:The Librem 5 Development Roadmap and Progress by freedomben on Wednesday October 04, 2017 @11:58PM (#15406603)
That definitely does look promising. On their website under "Convergent:"

> Anbox scales across different form factors similar like Android does. It works on a laptop and a mobile phone.

Additionally in the README.md on their Github page (https://github.com/anbox/anbox):

> Anbox ... can be used on mobile operating systems like Ubuntu Touch, Sailfish OS or Lune OS too.

So conceivably something like this could be a great start.

Re:The Librem 5 Development Roadmap and Progress by oelmekki on Thursday October 05, 2017 @08:12AM (#15408470)
The support for android apps is in one of their stretched goal in their crowdfunding campaign : $10M... so, not really realist, given how the campaign is currently doing.

That being said, if we managed to run windows games on linux, I'm pretty sure we can find a way to run android apps without a VM.

Re:The Librem 5 Development Roadmap and Progress by bo1024 on Thursday October 05, 2017 @01:57AM (#15406925)
On the plus side, it'll run Linux, which has a pretty darn good selection of "apps" and "app ecosystem" (package managers).

I know that's not quite the same thing, but it's not like they're inventing a new OS platform from scratch: apps developed for Linux will run on the phone, and apps developed for the phone will hopefully repay their developers' time by being compatible across many Linux devices, especially when/if other full-Linux phones become available.

(A caveat - I don't know how much of this is hardware-dependent, e.g. the CPU.)

Re:The Librem 5 Development Roadmap and Progress by wvh on Thursday October 05, 2017 @07:04AM (#15408195)
If they stick with Qt, maybe they could share some apps with Sailfish. With some coordination, it should be possible to get a common repository "app store" that would also benefit the KDE Plasma Mobile project, and perhaps even Ubuntu Phone if Ubuntu would decide to restart development. Of course hardware support is always the limiting factor, but at least you wouldn't need a limiting phone-specific app ecosystem if a lot of Qt-based software would work on a wide range of devices.
Re:The Librem 5 Development Roadmap and Progress by gkya on Thursday October 05, 2017 @05:14AM (#15407703)
I beleive the killer app on this kind of devices is WhatsApp, as most other stuff like Facebook or Instagram can be used through the browser before native apps are provided. But WhatsApp is so omnipresent that convincing them to make an app for your platform would really help. Maybe if Ubuntu Phone managed to get a native WhatsApp client, it would have held on.
Re:The Librem 5 Development Roadmap and Progress by opencl on Thursday October 05, 2017 @07:24AM (#15408272)
Is WhatsApp really "omnipresent"? Maybe it's a regional thing. I know zero people that use it, or at least zero people that use it to talk to me. Everyone I know uses either Telegram or LINE or just plain old SMS.

Stuff like Facebook and Instagram can be used in browser but are missing basic features on their mobile web versions and constantly yell at you through popups to use to the app instead. Hopefully the popups at least don't occur on platforms that don't have the app available. Facebook for example recently removed Messenger from their mobile web version to make people install the app.

Re:The Librem 5 Development Roadmap and Progress by znpy on Thursday October 05, 2017 @05:38AM (#15407811)
If this phone lands and has no whatsapp, I will buy one and switch definitively to Telegram.

Telegram is nice, works everywhere, the protocol is open, clean and relatively easy to implement.

I also will make the rest of the family switch to Telegram. I am sure that as long as they are able to write message to each other, they will be fine with it.

Quite frankly, the main advantage of Whatsapp over Telegram is that it is more widely adopted. But beside that, not much.

Re:The Librem 5 Development Roadmap and Progress by zeratax on Thursday October 05, 2017 @09:15AM (#15408863)
Biggest advantage in my eyes is actually proven end to end encryption based on the signal protocol.

Considering that the libre 5 will be the first matrix native phone, maybe get them to switch to matrix instead, which is actually open source in both clients and server and has encryption with an actual security assessment. still no stickers though...

Re:The Librem 5 Development Roadmap and Progress by gkya on Thursday October 05, 2017 @05:43AM (#15407841)
> Quite frankly, the main advantage of Whatsapp over Telegram is that it is more widely adopted. But beside that, not much.

Thing is I (and I guess most people) don't want to do app evangelism, but just use the existing communication protocols my peers use. People in your network will have their own networks, and so on, and telling them to quit them networks or to add another app to their phone is going to annoy them.

Re:The Librem 5 Development Roadmap and Progress by znpy on Thursday October 05, 2017 @06:05AM (#15407927)
If you read carefully (something I strongly advise you to do) you will find out that I was talking about my family: they trust my judgement and I can bring them very good reasons for what I propose.

Regarding my other contacts' networks: I certainly do not impose other people what app to use, but at the same time I have no interest in doing something (e.g.: running an app I honestly don't like) just because everybody is doing it.

In all honesty, if someone has something to tell me or I have something to tell someone, we will surely find a way to communicate. Keep in mind that, at least for now, all mobile phones can make phone calls and send text messages (at least to negotiate other means of communication).

Re:The Librem 5 Development Roadmap and Progress by djsumdog on Thursday October 05, 2017 @01:43AM (#15406872)
I wonder if we'll see Plasma support.
Re:The Librem 5 Development Roadmap and Progress by oelmekki on Thursday October 05, 2017 @08:06AM (#15408432)
Highly probable : https://dot.kde.org/2017/09/14/plasma-mobile-and-purisms-lib...

Although, it's obviously not done yet.