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Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by jacquesm on Friday September 29, 2017 @03:36PM (#15368416)
Governments usually do not like to give up the money making portions of their countries and neither does the population of the rest of the country. You never see a poor part of a country seceding (well, other than Quebec maybe).
Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by azernik on Friday September 29, 2017 @10:52PM (#15370946)
> You never see a poor part of a country seceding

Ireland from the UK, Slovakia from Czechoslovakia, Kosovo from Serbia, the bits of Poland that were in Austria-Hungary or Germany from those two empires, pretty much every single European overseas colonial possession... Not to mention all the widely-supported secessionist movements that have failed militarily in the Indian northeast, in the Chinese west, or in the Russian Caucasus.

Of course, Americans prefer to imagine that political conflict everywhere is all about money rather than actually confront the idea that people other than themselves have collective identities and cultures.

Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by skrebbel on Saturday September 30, 2017 @02:17AM (#15371527)
You have a great point except that jacquesm isn't American.
Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by literallycancer on Friday September 29, 2017 @03:46PM (#15368518)
Slovakia was much poorer than the Czech part of Czechoslovakia. The decision to split was made by the politicians rather than the people in a referendum though. Seems to be working out quite OK for everyone so far.
Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by Mikeb85 on Friday September 29, 2017 @03:52PM (#15368581)
Quebec never did secede though, and they're definitely not 'poor'.
Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by justin66 on Friday September 29, 2017 @04:50PM (#15369089)
I don't imagine the Basques are a big money maker for Spain, and they've wanted to secede forever.
Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by mrighele on Friday September 29, 2017 @05:02PM (#15369178)
If I remember right, they are one of the richest regions (second only after Madrid) and they contribute to about 20% of the GDP.
Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by elecbit on Friday September 29, 2017 @05:15PM (#15369282)
They don't contribute, they have an independent economic system which comes from ancient times. Basque Country and Navarra have this privilege.
Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by mrighele on Friday September 29, 2017 @05:39PM (#15369473)
Is that relevant when we talk about GDP ? Even if little money flows from Barcelona to the central government (I don't know if this is or is not the case, since I don't live in Spain), that shouldn't make a difference, since "GDP measures the monetary value of final goods and services - that is, those that are bought by the final user - produced in a country in a given period of time (say a quarter or a year)."[1]

Maybe you were thinking about taxes ?

[1] "http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/basics/gdp.htm"

Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by NetStrikeForce on Friday September 29, 2017 @08:10PM (#15370324)
There are 16 billion per year going from Catalonia to Spain without return.

But not only that, the centralisation of government powers and agencies have created a problem where many big companies have to be in Madrid even if most their operations are in other parts of the country. That makes their taxes to be paid in Madrid instead of e.g. Valencia, Bilbao or Barcelona. The amount of taxes lost because of this is HUGE and much worse than the 16 billion per year above.

An independence would bring back 100% of the former and a good chunk of the latter. Hopefully that would help Catalonia grow at the pace its economy can and then it should be able to contribute back to Europe much more than now. Contributions have to be sustainable.

Edit: This comment is now at -1. Please argue instead of downvoting. You're acting against HN's rules.

Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by elecbit on Saturday September 30, 2017 @06:04AM (#15372110)
CNI (Centro Nacional de Inteligencia), like CIA in Spain, is working a lot to hide this comments and arguments. You can see a lot of comments which are the same speech as Partido Popular.

In the Catalan media they appear in waves, polluting all the comments and making the discussion unbearable.

They are also holding cyberatacks to the Catalan News Agency so we cannot inform outside.

They have also closed aerial space, so drones cannot fly and take pictures of massive demonstrations tomorrow if we cannot vote.

Google censors an app from Google Play which was telling people where to vote, after Spanish court forces it: https://twitter.com/thespainreport/status/913798991539777537 https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/913812096319737857

And more geopolitical info: https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/913920102411718656

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Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by fasouto on Saturday September 30, 2017 @09:41AM (#15372816)
Just curious, do you have a reliable source for the 16 billion per year?
Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by gotbeans on Saturday September 30, 2017 @05:43PM (#15375130)
Pf I know it's media based (so yeah... take the "reliable" part of it with a grain of salt... or handful maybe)

http://www.expansion.com/economia/2017/09/29/59cd50b8ca47412...

Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by fasouto on Sunday October 01, 2017 @10:32AM (#15378014)
Sorry but the text says that it's in the range [1000,16000].
Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by tartuffe78 on Friday September 29, 2017 @03:41PM (#15368477)
The South in the U.S. Civil War?
Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by int_19h on Friday September 29, 2017 @03:48PM (#15368542)
The South expected massive cotton revenues to prop its economy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Cotton

Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by QAPereo on Friday September 29, 2017 @04:16PM (#15368753)
To be fair however, it was known how the war would proceed before the outset!

In the words of General Sherman:

You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it… Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.

People are not rational however, and the wealthy landowners were facing the extinction of their wealth... so they started a war.

Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by sampo on Friday September 29, 2017 @04:52PM (#15369104)
> the wealthy landowners were facing the extinction of their wealth... so they started a war

As someone who doesn't know much about American history: What happened to the wealth of those Southern landowners after the war? Did they get to keep it?

Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by logfromblammo on Friday September 29, 2017 @05:57PM (#15369608)
Some of it. Many of those who survived lost a good portion of their capital. But they kept title to their land, and used that leverage, voting power, and racist solidarity over time to claw back much of what they had previously enjoyed from exploitation of the emancipated slaves.

The South was still devastated by the war. But being largely agrarian to begin with, loss of capital wasn't quite as hard a blow as losing a factory.

Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by lfam on Friday September 29, 2017 @05:57PM (#15369606)
Much of the "wealth" was the people they enslaved, so they did not get to keep it. The American Civil War is seen as a huge and enduring economic loss (but moral gain) for the southern states.
Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by jacquesm on Friday September 29, 2017 @03:48PM (#15368537)
The people driving that were very wealthy.