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Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by pawelk on Friday September 29, 2017 @05:46AM (#15363955)
In Poland, and I believe it's an EU regulation, every seller is obligated to take your old appliances when you buy new ones in the same category. For example when you buy a freezer you can drop your old one for recycling free of charge (so the cost is included in the retail price).

Sometimes it's even used in marketing ("bring your old TV, get new one 10% cheaper"), maybe because they need to meet some quotas so they have to actively convince people to bring their old stuff.

I'm not sure what happens with the items they collect, but hopefully it's shipped to some recycling center instead of getting dropped in a landfill, which would be the case when consumers didn't have this option.

Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by iicc on Friday September 29, 2017 @10:41AM (#15365673)
Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by kqr on Sunday October 01, 2017 @03:55AM (#15376856)
Nope. A directive is not a regulation. A directive means the member states must implement into their own law a comparable version of the directive. A regulation is when the countries must enforce the EU regulation as if it were their own law.

(The difference is marked in the case of the General Data Protection Regulation, which will become enforceable in a few months. There is no wiggleroom in interpreting it, compared to its predecessor, the Data Protection Directive, where each member state has implemented their own version, with varying levels of data protection.)

Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by strictnein on Friday September 29, 2017 @09:16AM (#15364943)
This is very common in the US, although there is no regulation governing it. Most places will take your old appliances away when they deliver your new ones.

Heck, our power company will pay you $35 if you recycle a working fridge or freezer through them. With them coming out to pick it up for free. The idea being that a lot of people stick their old, inefficient fridge in the basement or garage when they get a new one and it sucks down a lot of power.

Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by bpicolo on Friday September 29, 2017 @09:35AM (#15365084)
I'm surprised they don't want you to pay for more electricity. Good on them
Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by ThrowawayIP on Friday September 29, 2017 @10:29AM (#15365561)
In Michigan at least, these programs are funded by the taxpayer. $Power_Company gets to make a profit on every crappy fridge they haul away or every LED lightbulb they install.
Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by code_duck on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:47PM (#15367438)
They didn't start doing that of their own accord.
Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by dsfyu404ed on Friday September 29, 2017 @03:45PM (#15368511)
If the truck has to come back after making deliveries it's usually better to load it up with scrap metal than to send it back empty.

It's a pretty damn good example of the market solving a problem by itself.

This only really falls apart when the cost of new stuff is less than the cost of recycling. High wages are not good for recycling/repair businesses.

When you get new tires on your car most places will take the old ones for free. They get recycled into filler for lower quality rubbers (you can't re-vulcanize rubber, it's like un-baking a cake)

Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by mrighele on Friday September 29, 2017 @06:17AM (#15364055)
> In Poland, and I believe it's an EU regulation, every seller is obligated to take your old appliances when you buy new ones in the same category. For example when you buy a freezer you can drop your old one for recycling free of charge (so the cost is included in the retail price).

In Italy is the same. Keep in mind that the retail price includes a tax to cover the costs of recycling, so it is not really free :-). The amount depends on the type of appliance. This too should come from an EU directive.

Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by chrisseaton on Friday September 29, 2017 @06:53AM (#15364200)
> Keep in mind that the retail price includes a tax to cover the costs of recycling, so it is not really free :-)

They didn’t say they thought it was free. In fact they said

> so the cost is included in the retail price

And you quoted that!

Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by mrighele on Friday September 29, 2017 @07:20AM (#15364331)
Ops ! You're right. Too little coffee I guess :-)
Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by tzs on Friday September 29, 2017 @06:54AM (#15364201)
What happens if you do not want to return your old appliance when you buy a new one? Do you still pay the recycling tax?
Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by efreak on Friday September 29, 2017 @12:21PM (#15366632)
The recycling tax is for the product you're buying, so it doesn't matter if you're bringing one to be recycled or not.
Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by ddingus on Friday September 29, 2017 @02:36PM (#15367876)
Yes, but you also have the value of the old device.
Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by Markoff on Friday September 29, 2017 @07:44AM (#15364431)
yes :(
Re:A “right to repair” movement tools up by icc97 on Friday September 29, 2017 @06:21AM (#15364069)
I think in Belgium they specify how much the recycling premium is when buying something new.