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Re:Bitcoin is fiat money, too by lojack on Friday September 22, 2017 @08:09PM (#15317135)
Sure, some people treat it as an investment that can be hoarded, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be exchanged. Your narrow definition of medium of exchange sort of excludes any deflationary currency that someone may hold on to as an investment.

It could even be expanded to include inflationary currency in a country where hyperinflation is occurring. People will hold on to USD or some other currency as an investment because it'll be worth significantly more tomorrow than whatever currency the supermarket down the street accepts.

Re:Bitcoin is fiat money, too by Finnucane on Friday September 22, 2017 @10:00PM (#15317604)
By that logic any tradable thing can be a 'medium of exchange'. Sure, people will hold a stable currency when their own is sinking, but deliberately designing a currency for deflation is stupid.
Re:Bitcoin is fiat money, too by lojack on Friday September 22, 2017 @11:34PM (#15317937)
I understand your point, but I'm not sure I agree that being deflationary or being primarily used as an investment precludes it from being used as a medium of exchange.

I do think there are some aspects of bitcoin that limit its use as a medium of exchange (transaction times, current lack of stability), but I don't think its the deflationary part.

Re:Bitcoin is fiat money, too by zdkl on Friday September 22, 2017 @10:48PM (#15317778)
Well in a sense it's quite freudian: you gotta feel the (unrealised value of the) bitcoin leaving you for it to be universally recognised as "having value"
Re:Bitcoin is fiat money, too by 2muchcoffeeman on Friday September 22, 2017 @11:24PM (#15317909)
It could even be expanded to include inflationary currency in a country where hyperinflation is occurring. People will hold on to USD or some other currency as an investment because it'll be worth significantly more tomorrow than whatever currency the supermarket down the street accepts.

This doesn't really feel the same. You might use USD to store value because you know that it's value isn't going to fluctuate like crazy from month to month or year to year. So if you can afford to feed yourself today, you can still feed yourself tomorrow. You're still spending your money.

No one I know with Bitcoin spends it, with the exception of a novelty purchase of beer. And why would you, in 4 years the value of bitcoin increased over 10 fold. You'd be stupid to ever spend it while this trend continues.

Re:Bitcoin is fiat money, too by lojack on Friday September 22, 2017 @11:46PM (#15317980)
> You might use USD to store value because you know that it's value isn't going to fluctuate like crazy from month to month or year to year.

Noted, and I tend to agree with you on that point.

> You'd be stupid to ever spend it while this trend continues.

For sake of argument, assuming you know this trend will continue you'd be stupid to not put all of your money into it. At which point, you'll ultimately need to spend it to get things you need (whether you're spending it on purchasing other currencies, or spending on the actual goods). Unfortunately, we don't know the trend will continue or if it'll reverse or if it'll level off.

Re:Bitcoin is fiat money, too by selectodude on Saturday September 23, 2017 @01:19PM (#15320700)
Except on drugs which is essentially the entire monetary velocity of bitcoin.