Re:Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices
by icebraining on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @05:09PM
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The Constitution fathers also mentioned that sometimes blood is necessary to preserve liberty.
I personally prefer a referendum.
Re:Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices
by nsnick on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @04:36PM
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So you are saying you want Spain to bring back the Fascists?
Re:Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices
by gfiorav on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @05:01PM
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How I’m I saying that? I don’t even mention fascism.
I’m saying that representative parliament works, and there’s a way to solve this using this worldwide system. Direct democracy is not what we have, America’s founders considered it “anarchy” as a matter of fact. Read up.
Re:Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices
by monodeldiablo on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:28PM
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America's founders also considered slaves fractional people and women incapable of voting. They happened to be right about some things, but they were still wrong about other things.
Re:Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices
by gfiorav on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:50PM
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Yeah, they also called indigenous people “savages”. Back in those days stuff like that was still not clear. However, when creating the constitution, they put a lot of thought on the system it should follow. Like I said: direct democracy is a tried and tested method. It has failed for the same reason always.
Re:Spanish police raid .Cat domain name registry offices
by monodeldiablo on Friday September 22, 2017 @07:17AM
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> Like I said: direct democracy is a tried and tested method. It has failed for the same reason always.
Always? You should be sure to inform the Swiss, who've been operating under the mistaken assumption that direct democracy in their cantons was functioning just fine.
Then, climb in your time machine and alert the New Englanders that their town halls were actually ruinous disasters. Then go further back and mock the ancient Athenians for starting this whole democracy debacle by running a stable government for 200 years.
Many of modern so called democracies though referendums are not the best way to solve these issues. Read up on how it worked for the Ancient Greeks or how the American constitution fathers talk about “direct democracy”.
Then think how it worked out for Brexit. It’s nothign new: ancient Greeks also got fired up by propaganda and later regretted their own decisions. Socrates came up with his “government of the fit” watching his contemporaries claim for bad things only to regret it when it was too late.
Essentially: a referendum is like saying “every single citizen has enough information and vision to do whatever is best for the country”. I find that pretty optimistic to say the least.