Re:Public speaking for introverts
by mrexroad on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:25PM
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Fellow INTP here. The conflation of introvert and shy is a continual source of frustration. Even my immediate family was dismissive when I casually mentioned I’m pretty deeply introverted.
Re:Public speaking for introverts
by netule on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @01:04PM
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Modern society hasn't evolved to include introverted people. I find that in a business setting, I'm always forced to be fake-extroverted just to fit in or I might be perceived as having a mood. This is pretty apparent from the amount of books and articles there are for converting introverts into extroverts.
Re:Public speaking for introverts
by Retra on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @10:14PM
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I overheard someone giving advice to their daughter the other day that was basically "if you don't go out and meet new people, then you will be unhappy in your life." Which is absolute bullshit, but c'est la vie.
Re:Public speaking for introverts
by analog31 on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:58PM
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In my view, there are a lot of cases where people conflate the "clinical" and "popular" definitions of words. For instance if I say that I'm "depressed," it doesn't mean that I've been diagnosed with clinical depression. It just means that I'm bummed.
Unfortunately, people will interpret your comments according to their own biases, and I've that a lot of people are biased to distrust or dislike introverts. For this reason, I would never admit to being an introvert, in a business setting. I would rather tell people that I'm mildly extroverted, and then let them believe what they want.
Re:Public speaking for introverts
by analog31 on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @09:44PM
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Interestingly, I once worked for an employer that required everybody to take a personality test. The results were never discussed with anybody, and the whole thing could have been a bunch of hocus pocus, but it nonetheless raised the issue.
Re:Public speaking for introverts
by INTPenis on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @03:25PM
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Oh yes it is. That's the sad part. When you find yourself manipulating your own personality test. :) I actually meant to reply to the person above you who was surprised that you'd reveal that information in a business setting.
Re:Public speaking for introverts
by analog31 on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @05:09PM
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I've thought a bit about it, and am actually OK with it. For one thing, we manipulate our own personalities, so why not our personality tests. It's our job to make people comfortable working with us. The people whom we work with don't have to know what we're actually thinking at any given moment. In fact, I suspect if it were actually possible to create an algorithm that opens up a window into our minds, civility and collaboration would collapse.
Re:Public speaking for introverts
by grzm on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @06:03PM
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You're shy and experience crippling stage fright. That might sound trite, but it's better than trying to otherwise fit you in one of two boxes that don't accurately (nor intend to) take those two features into account.
Re:Public speaking for introverts
by jwbales on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @01:00PM
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Agree with ionised and reddit_clone (below). I'm an introvert and I am definitely not shy, nor are my thoughts 'self centered'. It's simply that it takes more mental energy to engage with those I don't already know.
Re:Public speaking for introverts
by ArlenBales on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @03:04PM
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Introverts who are very active on social media perplex me. As an introvert, they just seem like extroverts to me. I don't have the energy nor interest to have Internet conversations with strangers.
Re:Public speaking for introverts
by WhitneyLand on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @03:34PM
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Is public speaking really that bad for introverts? I always felt that even though it sucks the life out of you, it's only for an hour, and gearing up for one hour life suck activities is a pretty common thing we have to do.
I mean, would you rather get invited to a party and spend 4 hours socializing with strangers, or give a talk at a conference for 1 hour? Guess it's different for each person but for me the party is worse.
Re:Public speaking for introverts
by tomjen3 on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @01:32PM
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If you have fear of public speaking, google toastmasters + your city. I have seen many first time speakers and trust me many are quite nervous in the beginning - but it is quite a safe environment, open to new people and nobody laughs (unless you are trying to do a comedy speech).
Re:Public speaking for introverts
by crispinb on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @07:14PM
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That's good advice - I know at least one person for who Toastmasters has been quite transformative (beyond just improving his public speaking).
But a clause needs to be added:
"If you have fear of public speaking and you want to overcome it"
The last part is crucial. Just because public speaking is temporarily in fashion in some business circles no more means we all have to do it than we all had to eat fondue in the '70's, or grow beards now (OK that's heading towards passéland). Public speaking is fine, but it's just one of thousands of human activities you may or may not wish to do. You might choose to learn to ride a motorcycle instead. Or leap off burning buildings. Whatever your thing is.
Re:Public speaking for introverts
by abhi3 on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:36PM
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> Some people drink a little bit of alcohol or take pills (not something I would recommend)
I would. Some people have crippling stage fright every time while several others would get it if the stakes are too high (imagine being called to demo at the iPhone launches). I doubt that the author being a natural public speaker can relate to that.
It's not about not being a good/polished public speaker but more about being so paralyzed with anxiety that your hands/knees shake and your voice breaks to the point that you couldn't read off a teleprompter. You lose all situational awareness and enter a fight or flight mode. If that describes you then take propranolol. (after asking your doctor of course)
Re:Public speaking for introverts
by ailon on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @02:39PM
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I hear what you are saying and I've seen people who get paralyzed like that, but I'd say that 95% of the time public speaking is not something you must do. So, if it that "painful", I'd say just don't do it. The world won't end.
Re:Public speaking for introverts
by pavel_lishin on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @04:32PM
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Though naturally, you should have some experience with alcohol or pills before doing this, or you'll get a combination of stage fright with having a slightly fuzzy brain.
You might feel good about your speech, but your audience might decide that maybe you shouldn't do that again.
Get enough private time and rest before you speak, and after if you feel tired then.
Introvert != shy
Introvert != stage fright
Introvert to me simply means I have a shorter energy supply when around people I don't know.
The closer they are to me, the more I can be around them without getting tired.
So don't equate introversion with social anxiety or inability to speak in public.
So with that said, learning public speaking for introverts should follow the same rules as for anyone else.
Unfortunately, people will interpret your comments according to their own biases, and I've that a lot of people are biased to distrust or dislike introverts. For this reason, I would never admit to being an introvert, in a business setting. I would rather tell people that I'm mildly extroverted, and then let them believe what they want.
Some hire an MBTI consultant for whole workshop days. Some just order a pre-made test.
"I have to be alone very often. I'd be quite happy if I spent from Saturday night until Monday morning alone in my apartment. That's how I refuel."
[edit] to clarify to whom I'm agreeing.
No psychologist worth their salt would define an introvert that way.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/introvert says:
"introvert
noun
1. a shy person.
2. Psychology. a person characterized by concern primarily with his or her own thoughts and feelings (opposed to extrovert ). "
(edit: added "don't")
I mean, would you rather get invited to a party and spend 4 hours socializing with strangers, or give a talk at a conference for 1 hour? Guess it's different for each person but for me the party is worse.
But a clause needs to be added: "If you have fear of public speaking and you want to overcome it"
The last part is crucial. Just because public speaking is temporarily in fashion in some business circles no more means we all have to do it than we all had to eat fondue in the '70's, or grow beards now (OK that's heading towards passéland). Public speaking is fine, but it's just one of thousands of human activities you may or may not wish to do. You might choose to learn to ride a motorcycle instead. Or leap off burning buildings. Whatever your thing is.
I would. Some people have crippling stage fright every time while several others would get it if the stakes are too high (imagine being called to demo at the iPhone launches). I doubt that the author being a natural public speaker can relate to that.
It's not about not being a good/polished public speaker but more about being so paralyzed with anxiety that your hands/knees shake and your voice breaks to the point that you couldn't read off a teleprompter. You lose all situational awareness and enter a fight or flight mode. If that describes you then take propranolol. (after asking your doctor of course)
You might feel good about your speech, but your audience might decide that maybe you shouldn't do that again.