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Re:Gas Pump Skimmers by ams6110 on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:34AM (#15281807)
It's not the gas stations that are committing the crime. Why should they be fined? It's the people breaking into the pumps and installing the skimmers.

Most stations do what they can with security seals, frequent inspections, I've even seen some that install hardware-store hasps and padlocks on the pumps.

I do wonder why they have not converted to chip cards though. Almost all other retailers have.

Re:Gas Pump Skimmers by yorwba on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:41AM (#15281842)
The article says that

> Essentially, the perpetrator opens a pump using one of a few master keys, unplugs the credit card reader from the main pump controller, plugs the card reader into the skimmer and plugs the skimmer back into the pump controller. This reportedly takes less than 30 seconds.

So I'd say that at least those stations whose pumps can be opened easily with a master key should be liable if their careless handling of customer data leaks credit card details to skimmers. A fine would put additional pressure on the pumps with the worst security and might eventually lead to widespread deployment of something like the alarm system proposed at the end of the article.

Re:Gas Pump Skimmers by new299 on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @01:13AM (#15281965)
Right but we're working with incomplete information. Who mandates the use of those pumps? Are better, more secure pumps available? Do the gasoline suppliers mandate that certain pumps are used? etc. etc.

So it's not clear that these things are purely under the gas stations control and that a simple fine would solve the issue.

Alternative solutions might include:

1. Mandating stronger security certification of public facing card readers.

2. The police more aggressively prosecuting these offenses (raising the cost to criminals who are caught and making the offense less profitable).

I don't have complete information, so it's not clear to me which solution is best. But it doesn't seem obvious and simple.

Re:Gas Pump Skimmers by craftyguy on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:06PM (#15285854)
Here in Oregon, it's state law that only gas station attendants can fill vehicles. It seems that this would prevent some of this, but of course it doesn't prevent the skimmer from being installed after hours or by the attendants themselves..
Re:Gas Pump Skimmers by goialoq on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:40AM (#15281839)
A gas station with a skimmer is like a gas station with a gas spill -- it's a hazard on their property that is open to the public. They have a responsibility to maintain a safe environment, or else close off the property.
Re:Gas Pump Skimmers by new299 on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @01:15AM (#15281975)
I assume when a gas station operator becomes aware of either a skimmer or a gas spill they remove it.

I guess in both cases what they can do to prevent those things from occurring at all is limited. Is anyone arguing that they don't monitor for skimmers on a regular basis? It's just that the criminals keep putting them back.

Re:Gas Pump Skimmers by loosescrews on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @03:11AM (#15291431)
Here is what Visa has to say about the matter: https://usa.visa.com/visa-everywhere/security/emv-at-the-pum...
Re:Gas Pump Skimmers by astrodust on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @12:44AM (#15281862)
Hardware changes are annoying and expensive. Here in Canada where gasoline crested over $1.00/L it took an incredible amount of time for vendors to upgrade their equipment to handle the extra digit. Many locations had numbers physically taped on to their pumps and signs.