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Re:Safari no longer supported by Spotify by madeofpalk on Sunday September 17, 2017 @10:12AM (#15269674)
I couldn't disagree with this any stronger.

I think you're misunderstanding how much of a difference there was between the rest of the browsers and IE.

Besides, your claim the 'wins' Safari has had - first browser to implement ES6 in its entirety a year or so back. Chrome still doesn't support features users/clients actually ask for, like CSS Scroll snap points for making carousels http://caniuse.com/#search=scroll-snap-type

Re:Safari no longer supported by Spotify by npolet on Sunday September 17, 2017 @10:18AM (#15269694)
Sure, a few years ago the difference between browsers was really quite large. But we're in 2017 and most of the most used browsers are mostly in line with the supported features and expected behaviour of them.

But... safari is now the one that has weird behaviour that does not occur in Firefox, chrome and edge. Just because historically there was a massive split in behaviour doesn't mean that Safari gets off free. It's the one browser I hate testing because there are usually edge case and unexpected behaviour.

Re:Safari no longer supported by Spotify by madeofpalk on Sunday September 17, 2017 @10:26AM (#15269739)
Again, I'm not seeing this.

I look at Firefox and some of it's inconsistent behaviours around flexbox compared to other browsers (mind you, some of these are due to the spec). Just today I had an irritating render bug in Chrome.

I know, this all comes down to hearsay and individual experiences. But I still strongly believe that 'Safari is the new IE' is nothing but baseless FUD.

Re:Safari no longer supported by Spotify by adrr on Sunday September 17, 2017 @11:03AM (#15269929)
How have you not noticed any of them? Most obvious is local storage throws out of space exceptions if Safari is in private mode. I'm not even a web developer.
Re:Safari no longer supported by Spotify by madeofpalk on Sunday September 17, 2017 @12:54PM (#15270485)
Honestly, not really. The only one I can think of is your localStorage example.

Regardless, that's not the point. I'm not saying that Safari is perfect, I'm just saying that while it might have some implementation differences and bugs, so do other browsers.

Re:Safari no longer supported by Spotify by adrr on Sunday September 17, 2017 @06:22PM (#15272027)
No service workers, web rtc, Stream API or any other feature that can make web apps a viable replacement to app store installed native apps.
Re:Safari no longer supported by Spotify by rmwaite on Sunday September 17, 2017 @11:38PM (#15273237)
As of iOS 11 and macOS 10.13 Safari does support WebRTC and streaming API. And I don't see them supporting service workers any time soon because that's a stupid fucking idea.
Re:Safari no longer supported by Spotify by madeofpalk on Monday September 18, 2017 @06:06AM (#15274580)
Clients ask me to develop carousels much more than I'm asked to make a P2P video conferencing app.
Re:Safari no longer supported by Spotify by coldtea on Sunday September 17, 2017 @12:06PM (#15270241)
Because private mode is for porn? Who'd try normal apps there?

(only kidding, but it's not the most obvious thing to check and optimize for if you're a web dev. If that's what Safari's problems are, it's pretty solid.)

Re:Safari no longer supported by Spotify by ricardobeat on Sunday September 17, 2017 @10:50AM (#15269868)
Can you provide examples of "weird behaviour"?

Im also a Safari user, and in the majority of cases the reason it is not supported is because the page/app uses some custom Chrome-only, non-standard feature. Like this one.

Re:Safari no longer supported by Spotify by madeofpalk on Sunday September 17, 2017 @12:52PM (#15270474)
Sure. This one https://s.codepen.io/joshhunt/debug/ZKyYNz. It differs to IE, Safari and Chrome in the way it treats height:0 padding-top: 100% on a flex child. In Safari, the grey box expands properly to contain all divs. In Firefox, it doesn't.

Granted, this is more of a flexbox spec issue (last time I checked this behaviour is intentionally undefined), but it's still an annoying case of one browser doing something all the others don't.

Re:Safari no longer supported by Spotify by dgrove on Sunday September 17, 2017 @11:45AM (#15270111)
Widevine is not a "Chrome-only" feature. Firefox, Edge and even Opera have Widevine support.
Re:Safari no longer supported by Spotify by coldtea on Sunday September 17, 2017 @12:08PM (#15270252)
Is it a standard? Did it originate from Google?

"Widevine, a Google company" sounds neither standard nor very open to me: http://www.widevine.com/

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Re:Safari no longer supported by Spotify by Can_Not on Sunday September 17, 2017 @02:10PM (#15270872)
I'm really put off by how you dismiss legitimate complaints about the state of webdev as "whiny".
Re:Safari no longer supported by Spotify by madeofpalk on Sunday September 17, 2017 @07:02PM (#15272181)
I hope the irony isn't lost when you whine about developers being whiny.