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Re:Equihax by Ajedi32 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @11:41AM (#15249111)
I actually kinda hope all the data is made public, as that would (at least hopefully) force people to stop treating knowledge of someone's SSN as valid proof of identity, and lead to a better situation overall.
Re:Equihax by kmix27 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @12:10PM (#15249404)
I really hope that's the outcome here. I also think this should pave the way for real legal consequences for moronic data security. Individuals are banned from using computers when prosecuted, what about "no internet for companies who've proven they can't use it responsibly"
Re:Equihax by ballenf on Thursday September 14, 2017 @01:22PM (#15250209)
> real legal consequences for moronic data security

This could go really wrong if we let non-tech savvy regulators dictate tech stacks, specific hashing/encryption tools. Could work well, but just has a lot of potential to go very wrong.

Given that risk, as much as I don't want to live in an overly litigious society, letting the risk of lawsuits drive good security may be preferable to putting security in the hands of a few faceless government officials who themselves face no repercussions for getting the regs wrong.

Re:Equihax by criley2 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @01:44PM (#15250480)
"This could go really wrong if we let non-tech savvy regulators dictate tech stacks, specific hashing/encryption tools. Could work well, but just has a lot of potential to go very wrong."

Engineers, capitalism, private business have utterly, completely, fully and in totality failed.

This is not a little failure. Not a medium one. Not a large one.

This is a foundational, cataclysmic failure of the most epic proportion.

I think the time for voluntary private action has passed.

If developers, their managers, their stakeholders, and their shareholders took security and privacy remotely seriously, we would not be here.

We are here.

It is time to admit the full and complete failure of private software companies to protect data and privacy, and time for government to create a criminal schedule for management and developers who perpetuate criminal negligence.

I believe only 2 things will solve this:

1) Massive financial loss for shareholders -- they speak 1 language, US Dollars. If we say a US Citizens data is worth $100,000, then the fines would be large enough to literally destroy any firm who dared play loose with security. If there is no existential risk, there is zero motivation for compliancy. Only existential risk matters to shareholders. The rest is Cost of Doing Business.

2) Criminal liability for management and developers of products which violate security and privacy due to criminal negligence

Without this, you can all but guarantee that your full identity is kept in plain-text and has already been stolen.

Re:Equihax by rm_-rf_ on Thursday September 14, 2017 @02:25PM (#15250955)
I agree that we should work to determine if there was criminal negligence and prosecute to the highest degree possible, but I find it laughable that you talk about how engineers, capitalism, and private business have completely failed.

The DNC was hacked. The FBI and CIA have had their web sites hacked. The OPM had >22 million people's personal info stolen by Chinese hackers. The NSA itself has had major incidents where essentially cyber weapons were leaked. Those are just SOME of the ones we know about.

Let's stop pretending like government is any more capable, or even as capable, of protecting data than competent corporations. When was the last time Facebook or Google had massive data breach? It's not about 'the corporations maaan' it's about competency and the limited consequences of screwing up so bad.

Re:Equihax by antimatter on Thursday September 14, 2017 @02:40PM (#15251101)
Exactly this. I don't know where people get the idea that government would do this any better. I think the best regulators could do is make SSNs obsolete. A solution where knowing every possible private data point about a person is useless when attempting to steal someone's identity.
Re:Equihax by ams6110 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @03:21PM (#15251617)
Indeed, I have had my personal data compromised more by government agencies than private (at least, as far as I've been officially/personally notified).
Re:Equihax by ams6110 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @02:51PM (#15251238)
Problem is, on what basis is a person's "private data" worth $100,000, or will the exposure thereof cause damages of $100,000? The average person's entire net worth is only a fraction of that.

There is such a thing as punitive damages but in most civil cases a company or individual is not going to be held liable for more than actual damages.

Re:Equihax by noncoml on Thursday September 14, 2017 @03:33PM (#15251727)
> The average person's entire net worth is only a fraction of that

Banks are usually happy to provide you with a credit line many times your net worth if you have a reasonable credit score.

Re:Equihax by eeeeeeeeeeeee on Thursday September 14, 2017 @04:16PM (#15252114)
What is "really wrong" in your definition? I would say this breach is about as "really wrong" as you can get.

The threat of lawsuits already existed before this hack. Look at the multi-million payout Target paid after their credit card breach (and they say it cost their company ~200mil). So that was STILL NOT ENOUGH to change Equifax's behavior.

Improved government oversight/regulation of this industry is more than overdue. This is a national security issue and we should not have our data (and the means of protecting it) held hostage by private companies.

Re:Equihax by creatonez on Thursday September 14, 2017 @12:43PM (#15249771)
> Individuals are banned from using computers when prosecuted

Who is banned from using computers? You mean, in prison?

Re:Equihax by gipp on Thursday September 14, 2017 @01:08PM (#15250057)
Kevin Mitnick, famously, ages ago. Not sure if anyone else has ever had that.
Re:Equihax by astura on Thursday September 14, 2017 @01:35PM (#15250371)
Samy Kamkar too for writing the Samy MySpace worm.

From Wiki:

>Samy Kamkar, the author of the worm, was raided by the United States Secret Service and Electronic Crimes Task Force in 2006 for releasing the worm.[4] He entered a plea agreement on January 31, 2007 to a felony charge.[5] The action resulted in Kamkar being sentenced to three years probation with only one computer and no use of internet,[6] 90 days community service, and $15,000-$20,000 USD in restitution, as directly reported by Samy Kamkar himself on "Greatest Moments in Hacking History" by Vice Media's video website, Motherboard.

Re:Equihax by kodt on Thursday September 14, 2017 @01:05PM (#15250030)
Some convicted hackers have been banned from the internet, if ever caught using it they go back to prison.

There have been cases of people being banned from using any personal computer.

Re:Equihax by Kroniker on Thursday September 14, 2017 @01:04PM (#15250019)
It can be a punishment for certain crimes- or as an extended punishment after jail. Things like stalking where a computer was a primary method, valid threats made on a computer, etc.
Re:Equihax by sp332 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @06:16PM (#15252938)
Just last month, http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40833951 "The conditions of his bail include him not being allowed to access the internet"
Re:Equihax by marksomnian on Thursday September 14, 2017 @01:34PM (#15250355)
Samy. He was banned for a while IIRC
Re:Equihax by danso on Thursday September 14, 2017 @04:20PM (#15252158)
Mostly OT: A man who tattooed himself before the advent of Internet/online databases/Google

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8b15572/

Context:

> Bouk, Dan. How Our Days Became Numbered: Risk and the Rise of the Statistical Individual (pp. 232-233). University of Chicago Press. Kindle Edition.

> In the case of Lange’s unemployed lumber worker, we find a man who might have opted for a tattoo because it could identify him in the case of an accident. After all, he did dangerous work. Or, as he paid money into the Social Security system, he may have wanted to ensure he’d one day be able to redeem his annuity, that he would not forget his number. Neither explanation, however, encompasses his evident pride in his number, his willingness to show off for Lange (who undoubtedly encouraged him, maybe posed him).

> Was he proud to have been, as the New York Times had put it, a “holder” of a Social Security number? Possessing such a number meant a promise of future income, protection for himself, and— after the just-completed 1939 amendments that included expanded support for families— protection for his wife and future children against his old age or death. 76 Maybe he felt pride in the New Deal, in a government committed to him and his family, and advertised that pride on his bicep. Or perhaps, his tattoo displayed a workingman’s pride in his gender and class identities. Possessing such a number signaled his status as an industrial worker. Such status mattered in a bean-picking camp where most pickers had been excluded from eligibility for Social Security. Possessing an account set this unemployed lumber worker apart, probably even from his bean-picking wife.

Re:Equihax by safisher on Thursday September 14, 2017 @11:48AM (#15249179)
I hope this is fake and some would-be scammers get scammed by a scammer.
Re:Equihax by systematical on Friday September 15, 2017 @12:38AM (#15254675)
Me too, the current system has a steady leak that cannot be patched. Sink the ship and lets build something better.

This is some Mr. Robot / Fight Club shit. Get it over with.

Re:Equihax by sixothree on Thursday September 14, 2017 @01:43PM (#15250466)
What's your SSN and credit score? Just curious.
Re:Equihax by takeda on Thursday September 14, 2017 @03:11PM (#15251493)
You missing the point. A single person exposing their SSN right now will suffer, but if everyone's SSN is accepted the companies would have to acknowledge that SSN is no longer secret (in fact it never was intended to be secret).

This whole mess could be trivially fixed by credit bureaus introducing a PIN for every person and require it for opening a new credit line (issue is whether they could keep it safe, but at least it would resolve this problem).

They even already have such mechanism in place, which is done through freezing the file. The problem is that for some crazy reason we are charged when we are trying to protect ourselves.

Re:Equihax by sixothree on Thursday September 14, 2017 @06:31PM (#15253028)
You forgot your credit score.
Re:Equihax by dx034 on Friday September 15, 2017 @07:01AM (#15256102)
The number itself doesn't tell you much. The score of someone who was constantly indebted can be high as long as they always paid on time. Higher than for someone who earns >$100k per year and never needed to take on debt. Obviously very low scores tell you that something's likely wrong (if the data is correct), but medium to high scores without the credit report don't say much about a person.
Re:Equihax by sixothree on Friday September 15, 2017 @10:32AM (#15257448)
That is after all what we're talking about here.
Re:Equihax by argv_empty on Thursday September 14, 2017 @01:55PM (#15250628)
This seems a bit like replying to a suggestion that the world would be a better place without nuclear weapons by telling the other person to unilaterally disarm.
Re:Equihax by craftyguy on Thursday September 14, 2017 @01:46PM (#15250509)
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Re:Equihax by baldeagle on Thursday September 14, 2017 @02:11PM (#15250797)
New Hampshire, eh
Re:Equihax by spiznnx on Thursday September 14, 2017 @02:14PM (#15250834)
Donald Trump's SSN
Re:Equihax by outoftacos on Thursday September 14, 2017 @02:14PM (#15250837)
Only if you're old enough.