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Re:The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms... by totalZero on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @11:32AM (#15239225)
Setting aside every other part of this discussion:

I don't think a state actor can be accurately described as sociopathic. The expectations and interactions among nations are fundamentally different from those among people.

Re:The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms... by duncanawoods on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @11:49AM (#15239436)
Can you make an argument for believing that?

Using psychological terms in a strictly behavioural fashion for groups/countries seems to me to not just be an analogy but capturing the essence of what is observable. Many of the concepts are similar e.g. identity, cooperation, aggression, lying, betrayal, self-preservation, fear etc.

You can defend this further and claim that even when examining an individual, you will see conflicting identities and traits that resembles the conflict in a group rather than a constant, simple, single identity. The underlying truth appears to not be not that a group does not have psychological behaviours its that a single simple human identity doesn't really exist and is always an emergent property of some collection of heterogeneous smaller parts identities/modes/processes etc.

Re:The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms... by CapitalistCartr on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @11:50AM (#15239448)
Then why is it so many other countries don't act as we do? USSR under Joe did; that's hardly a ringing endorsement. Any Scandinavian country would be a good counter argument. Finland has withstood Soviet/Russian intimidation for more than seven decades without running around instigating insane, right-wing police states across the Globe.
Re:The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms... by keldaris on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @12:18PM (#15239734)
> Then why is it so many other countries don't act as we do?

That's simple: they're weak and can't get away with it. The baseline conduct of nation states is basically that of fairly rational psychopaths, capable of evaluating what they can get away with. Deviations from that norm are mostly reminiscent of irrational psychopaths. Anyone who expects "moral", "just" or "trustworthy" behavior from a nation state is just out of their mind.

Re:The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms... by dragonwriter on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @12:27PM (#15239842)
> Finland has withstood Soviet/Russian intimidation for more than seven decades without running around instigating insane, right-wing police states across the Globe.

Some would say “submitted to” rather than “withstood”; heck, accommodating a powerful neighbor out of fear and inability to effectively resist is called “Finlandization” for a reason.

Re:The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms... by alrs on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @01:13PM (#15240342)
Finland's foreign policy was benign, but its domestic policies weren't pretty.

Eugenics: http://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/tree/530b988476f0db569b00...

Kekkonen and the collapse of democracy: http://www.nytimes.com/1973/01/18/archives/finns-extend-pres...

Re:The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms... by anigbrowl on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @01:15PM (#15240367)
Inability, to a large extent. The relative youth of the US in cultural terms. the simplicity of dealing with a small biddable tyranny rather than a large messy democracy that might not agree with us. The Dictator's Handbook by Bueno de Mesquite & Smith does a good job of breaking down the utilitarian calculus of foreign policy decisions.
Re:The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms... by refurb on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @03:09PM (#15241554)
Finland did align themselves with Nazi Germany early in WW2 in their effort to counter Soviet actions.

Only after they came to a stalemate and peaceful agreement with the USSR did they split from the Axis and align with the Allies.

Re:The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms... by rebuilder on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @12:45PM (#15240039)
Most states lack the means to throw their weight around like the USA does.

Interstate relations are what anarchy looks like.

Re:The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms... by stemc43 on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @11:50AM (#15239439)
If you really look at human interactions they are exactly same as nation - level ones: constant fight for individual success with thinly cover of "moral values".
Re:The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms... by vosper on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @11:44AM (#15239391)
Nations are just groups of people, but I agree with you. I'm not generally in favour of applying terms like sociopathic to large groups.
Re:The Pentagon Is Spending Up To $2.2B on Soviet-Style Arms... by ellius on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @11:51AM (#15239460)
Saying anything is "just a group" of its constituent parts is misleading and incorrect. Behaviors emerge at system levels that are not present among individual "parts."