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Re:Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation by cjsuk on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @02:23AM (#15235971)
A lot of enterprise companies aren't buying in JS frameworks because the velocity of those frameworks is too fast. I kind of agree. When you have 50,000 desktops, a 6 month lead dragging a pile of apps over to a new browser is a nightmare scenario. All it takes is one app which the vendor doesn't give a shit about and one internal app deprecating an IE version used by 50 users due to a JS framework change in a branch office and there's a headache from hell on your plate.

Fortunately they're all starting to kick out chrome for business now.

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Re:Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation by tannhaeuser on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @02:41AM (#15236039)
Maybe for those customers it might make sense to donate to the Eclipse foundation to keep JSF etc. alive and to keep Java-only devs afloat? But then maintenance of J2EE has ceased because it's not economically feasible.
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Re:Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation by cjsuk on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @02:52AM (#15236078)
It probably would but it won't happen. It's difficult getting anything like that through the layers of purchasing hell.

If they provided a web site with pictures of boxes of software for min $2000 that never arrived and didn't do anything it might work better. The moment someone says "donate" the bean counters start sharpening their pitchforks.

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Re:Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation by eecc on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @09:02AM (#15237815)
How about labelling that button "support" or "maintenance contract"?
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Re:Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation by cjsuk on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:18AM (#15238481)
That just gets the legal guys on the case.
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Re:Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation by pjmlp on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @02:58AM (#15236103)
We have customers were using Chrome is a security risk, because they cannot control its deployments like on FF, IE and Edge.
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Re:Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation by cjsuk on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @03:12AM (#15236166)
Fortunately that excuse is no longer valid as they have GPO templates, MSI packages, the lot: https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/7358568
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Re:Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation by pjmlp on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @08:00AM (#15237412)
Thanks for the heads up, unfortunately it won't change the IT internal guidelines.
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Re:Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation by cjsuk on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @08:01AM (#15237419)
This is when I tend to find a new company to work for :)
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Re:Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation by pjmlp on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:21AM (#15238519)
Except that these cases are not my employer rather some customers.

In any case, I am pretty much against the mentality here that it is to switch jobs just because something isn't nice and shinny at the current employer, or customer.

Not every place on Earth is like SV avid for software developers.

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Re:Java EE Is Moving to the Eclipse Foundation by Delmania on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @08:47AM (#15237731)
Most of those companies use AngularJS for that specific reason. It's stable, well tested and documents, and it works.
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