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Re:Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your dev... by lern_too_spel on Monday September 11, 2017 @11:17PM (#15224556)
Yet this "fundamental difference" does not change the fact that both companies' devices provide exactly the same amount of privacy out of the box, while only the Google device is truly yours to put whatever software you want on it, down to the OS.
Re:Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your dev... by phs318u on Monday September 11, 2017 @11:43PM (#15224651)
I trust the vendor whose primary revenue stream comes from me, rather than the one whose primary revenue stream is me (or my private data). I trust Google to abide by their T&C's about as much as I trust the NSA to abide by the laws governing the extent of their actions. Which is to say, precisely none.

You can argue until you're blue in the face but Apple have little to no incentive to exploit my private data while Google have every incentive to do so.

Re:Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your dev... by themihai on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @03:46AM (#15225519)
The Google device is NOT truly yours because you have to look for cracks if you want to root it or remove the Google stuff. The law may also be against you if you crack it. You are just a guest on your device...you are "licensed" to use it just like you get license to play music on spotify, watch movies on netflix etc...nothing is owned anymore and very few people care.
Re:Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your dev... by vurpo on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @07:30AM (#15226421)
Many Android devices, including all the ones that Google make and sell themselves, Sony devices, Motorola devices, have an officially supported path to running any code you want on YOUR own device.

Usually that path is: boot the phone into bootloader mode, plug it into a computer, run `fastboot oem unlock`, accept the warning that this will void your warranty, then `fastboot flash <image file to flash>`. An officially documented and supported way to do exactly what you want with the device that you own.

Yes, it voids your warranty, but it's not forbidden or illegal in any way.

Re:Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your dev... by pdimitar on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @11:26AM (#15228044)
Sure. That's why Magisk exists, right? Because OEMs have nothing against you rooting your device. At all. They are perfectly okay with it.

Please. Actions speak louder than words, I am sure you would agree with that.

Re:Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your dev... by lern_too_spel on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @12:30PM (#15228699)
We were discussing Google devices and Apple devices. All Google phones have an unlockable bootloader.
Re:Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your dev... by pdimitar on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @05:09PM (#15232742)
Unlockable bootloader, yes. Officially supported ROM without Google Play Services, absolutely not.

I see you defending Google around here. That's fine but a grand-grand-grand...-parent of yours was saying that AOSP is unusable, and that point still stands and is true.

Re:Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your dev... by lern_too_spel on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @03:47AM (#15236302)
You've confused yourself. The whole point of a device being yours is that you can install not officially supported ROMs.

The officially supported experience with Google Play Services is no more privacy invasive than the officially supported iOS ROM, but in the case of Google devices, the device is yours, and you are not limited to officially supported ROMs.

Re:Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your dev... by komali2 on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @01:21PM (#15229231)
By google devices, do you mean only the Pixel and Nexus phones? Or does that include all android devices? Because for example Sprint Galaxy s5's can't be unlocked.
Re:Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your dev... by lern_too_spel on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @03:48AM (#15236308)
I mean devices sold by Google, so Nexuses, Pixels, and a few Google experience phones sold from the Google Store.
Re:Under iOS 11, authorities won’t be able to image your dev... by roblabla on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @05:19AM (#15225897)
This is not true on the actual Google devices (Nexus and Pixel lines) that have a supported path to flash your own rom, and root. Google so far has been supportive of the custom rom community. Some manufacturers (cough samsung cough) have not.