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Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by ams6110 on Monday September 11, 2017 @09:17PM (#15224014)
Unless you can show $25,000 in damages, your lawsuit will go nowhere.
Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by patio11 on Monday September 11, 2017 @09:38PM (#15224093)
My argument would probably be willful non-compliance with FCRA requirements [+]. (I'm not planning on suing Equifax and if I were I wouldn't do it via a form letter, because that smacks of abuse of the legal process and judges will not be neutral about that.)

An action under the FCRA may be brought in "any other court of competent jurisdiction", carries statutory damages of $1k for willful non-compliance, and allows the judge to assess arbitrary punitive damages. Given that you're likely the only person talking and that you'll be describing systemic issues which affected 143 million Americans, I think you should just ask the judge for the max and see what he says.

HNers are, by the way, likely to be well-served by small claims courts, just by dint of education, organizational ability, and ability to perform professionalism.

[+] 15 U.S. Code § 1681e(a) -- "Identity and purposes of credit users" requires "very consumer reporting agency shall maintain reasonable procedures designed to avoid [unauthorized disclosure of information]" Your argument, informally because small claims court, would be "If your procedures allow you to disclose credit information on 143 million people, your procedures are per se unreasonable."

Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by KGIII on Monday September 11, 2017 @10:12PM (#15224222)
Given that they lobbied to avoid penalties for losses of privacy information, I wonder if one could also prove intent?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15212497

Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by unclebucknasty on Monday September 11, 2017 @11:24PM (#15224587)
>I wouldn't do it via a form letter, because that smacks of abuse of the legal process and judges will not be neutral about that

Which is a problem. If that form were legally sound and the case solid, then there shouldn't be an issue...but, you're correct that there might well be. The legal system is somewhat deficient for the ordinary citizen. Or maybe I should say that the other way around.

From a practical perspective, though, there's just no way to litigate 100MM+ individual cases, which is why this will be a class action that will be settled. Lawyers will win and claimaints will see very little per.

The thing is that the potential damages could, in theory, far exceed the total value of Equifax or their ability to remunerate. True justice, then could never be fully served. That brings up an interesting point about the outsized risk some companies represent, with very little attendant oversight or regulation.

In general we seem to be asleep at the wheel. Whether it's Russian hacking, recent revelations about powergrid infiltration, data breaches, or all manner of online and technology-based fraud, there seems to be a vast under-appreciation for the stakes. There's talk about it, but relatively little progress is being made.

Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by ransom1538 on Monday September 11, 2017 @09:37PM (#15224090)
US Judges are pretty ruthless too, esp. in their own courtroom -- if they see this is just a spam law suite / mocking the courtroom I wouldn't be surprised to see people getting tossed into contempt. If they feel like the courts' time is being wasted they get really pissed. Don't mess with judges. [i][ii]

[i] http://www.gainesville.com/news/20170227/gainesville-man-get...

[ii] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssujwibxOlA

Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by throwawayjava on Monday September 11, 2017 @10:00PM (#15224178)
I mean, it sounds like he was trying help intimidate already fidgety witnesses. That's not just wasting the court's time.
Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by foota on Monday September 11, 2017 @10:28PM (#15224282)
What? I don't have context for what else has occurred, but it sounds like the lawyer in this case was objecting to the bond that the judge put on his client?
Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by throwawayjava on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @12:35AM (#15224838)
Person A was on trial for (attempted?) murder. Person B posts to InstaFaceGram that Person A will be free soon. Person B then shows up to court and starts live-streaming the court proceedings, included of witnesses, to a sketch-sounding Facebook group.

Person B then lies to judge about what he was doing and so the judge throws him in jail for 6 months for contempt.

The probable witness tampering probably had something to do with the harsh contempt punishment.

Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by foota on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @01:30AM (#15225020)
Ohhhhh. I see where I was wrong. I had only watched the second reference in op's post. Thank you for explaining.
Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by pooloo1 on Monday September 11, 2017 @10:38PM (#15224344)
Would it really be the people getting on the judges nerves or the corporation at fault?
Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by jlgaddis on Monday September 11, 2017 @11:34PM (#15224625)
Even if a judge decided your lawsuit was completely frivolous, I'm pretty sure most would just throw it out -- not throw you in jail for contempt. Now, if you filed dozens of similar frivolous lawsuits in the same court...
Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by 300bps on Monday September 11, 2017 @09:22PM (#15224032)
The rules in small claims court are pretty lenient in my state. Many times the magistrate isn't even an attorney and doesn't have a firm grasp of the law.

And if Equifax doesn't show up, you'll get a default judgment against them. Which doesn't mean you'll collect it but it would force Equifax to appeal to the court of common pleas.

I think this is more about killing Equifax through death from a thousand cuts. If 1% of the people impacted by this filed a small claims lawsuit, that's 1.43 million lawsuits against Equifax. What company could survive that?

Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by VonGuard on Monday September 11, 2017 @10:11PM (#15224219)
Small claims court. If they don't show up, you win. They can't show up to all of the cases brought against them.
Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by dadkins on Monday September 11, 2017 @10:40PM (#15224356)
What will likely happen, at least in California, is that the clerk will schedule all of the Equifax cases for the same day and the judge will hear them all at once, like a little miniature class action.
Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by Animats on Monday September 11, 2017 @10:54PM (#15224427)
Yes. And that's the way around restrictions on class actions. Where the victims are identified and cooperating, and the cases are very similar, it works. There are some lawyers using this strategy. Huge numbers of cases are filed, they're all consolidated by a judge, and the end result is a suit on the merits.

The filing service needs to do more of the work, like shipping the paperwork off in bulk to a process server company to be formally delivered in daily batches.

Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by jlgaddis on Monday September 11, 2017 @11:35PM (#15224627)
Yep, and Equifax will hire some local firm for a small amount to take care of all of them that day.
Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by codingdave on Monday September 11, 2017 @10:29PM (#15224292)
> They can't show up to all of the cases brought against them.

Sure they can. If a suit is filed for $25K, do you really think Equifax cannot do the math of what a default judgment would cost? If all their attorneys are busy, they would hire more. Even if it had to be expensive temporary help, they would hire someone to show up.

Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by 90s-socal-kid on Monday September 11, 2017 @10:37PM (#15224334)
I wonder how quickly / ably they could scale that. What if every US-based HN reader filed a suit?

Even better, what if every US HN user filed a small claims court case? I believe companies cannot hire lawyers to represent them there, they would need to send employees.

Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by codingdave on Monday September 11, 2017 @10:56PM (#15224435)
IANAL, but I am pretty sure we don't need to think out the details too far on this because the actual lawyers surely can play the systems better than non-lawyers from HN.

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by mark212 on Monday September 11, 2017 @10:59PM (#15224464)
The no-lawyer in small claims rule doesn't apply to corporations. They usually send a paralegal or operations person who has some experience with legal matters and the relevant paperwork.
Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by pocketsquare2 on Monday September 11, 2017 @11:56PM (#15224705)
I'll go on the record and say that Equifax makes subpar quantitative decisions; i.e. cannot do the math.

And also that their attorneys, and their attorneys' attorneys, and their attorneys' attorneys' attorneys are very busy right now.

Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by RandomInteger4 on Monday September 11, 2017 @09:45PM (#15224120)
Not really. It says "up to $25,000" not "exactly $25,000" meaning you don't have to show $25,000 worth of damages if the damages are 1,000 and that's all you're suing for.
Re:Chatbot lets you print lawsuit forms for suing Equifax fo... by desireco42 on Monday September 11, 2017 @09:17PM (#15224017)
I was just pondering that.