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Re:Ontario unveils plan for government chain of marijuana st... by vkou on Friday September 08, 2017 @04:38PM (#15203752)
> I think they are really blowing it by making the stores government owned.

Why?

The largest chain of BC liquor stores is government-owned and operated. They do a pretty decent job of it.

Re:Ontario unveils plan for government chain of marijuana st... by lpaone on Friday September 08, 2017 @07:24PM (#15204702)
The BC Liquor stores are not well run. In my experience, the service is slow, the people are not knowledgeable, and you will often have a huge lineup of people waiting at the only cashier that is open. The employees have 0 incentive to change this because they are protected by a powerful union.

On top of this, as mentioned in other posts, we have some of the most expensive alcohol in the world. I have travelled to several countries and have yet to find a place that has more expensive alcohol than BC.

I used to work beside a major liquor importer and after speaking with some of their employees, the general consensus in the industry is that the only people that benefit from this are the union employees that work at the government liquor stores and distribution centres. For everyone else: restaurants, consumers, independent store owners, etc. it is a negative.

edit: grammar

Re:Ontario unveils plan for government chain of marijuana st... by vkou on Monday September 11, 2017 @02:21PM (#15220799)
Alcohol in BC is expensive because it is heavily taxed at every step, from production to distribution. BCL is not the cause of that problem. (As a cursory glance at the prices in non-BCL stores will confirm.)
Re:Ontario unveils plan for government chain of marijuana st... by JPKab on Friday September 08, 2017 @07:49PM (#15204798)
Agreed. The excuse that you will hear over and over again whenever anyone mentions the obvious inefficiencies is the moralistic bullshit where "We shouldn't make it cheap and easy for people to buy poison."

I owe unions for many great things like weekends, safe working conditions, etc. They worked to codify these things into law. Once these things were accomplished, they slowly turned into impediments to competition. Private businesses whose unions went too far were driven out of business or hurt by companies whose unions cooperated with management (GM vs. Toyota). It's funny how the government monopolies (education, transportation, etc) are the most unionized industries left. The unions don't have to care about their customers, so they don't. Toyota has one of the most powerful unions on the planet (Japanese laws after WW2 made sure of that), and yet they don't squeeze out benefits at the expense of customers every chance they get.

Re:Ontario unveils plan for government chain of marijuana st... by iamatworknow on Friday September 08, 2017 @04:42PM (#15203779)
Ontario does too. You can complain that the prices are a little high, but the LCBO stores I've been to have always been much cleaner and the staff more attentive, knowledgable, and personable than any privately owned store over the border in New York.
Re:Ontario unveils plan for government chain of marijuana st... by dugditches on Friday September 08, 2017 @04:55PM (#15203873)
How often do you talk to the staff at your liquor store?

The convenience of buying at a corner store at a convenient time outweighs any of those things in my opinion(US, Quebec, some locations in Ont).

With the dollar going back up it'll be better to simply cross the border to buy alcohol and gas again, instead of paying the ridiculous markup.(for context, a 24 of 355ml cans of 'budget' beer is nearly $50 CAD).

Re:Ontario unveils plan for government chain of marijuana st... by iamatworknow on Friday September 08, 2017 @05:04PM (#15203949)
Sounds like we treat alcohol differently. I don't drink to get drunk. If I want to try a new whisky or wine I'd like to be able to get some feedback on it, not an eye roll from a college-aged kid whose only insight is saying, "This one's probably better because it costs more".
Re:Ontario unveils plan for government chain of marijuana st... by drpgq on Friday September 08, 2017 @05:56PM (#15204242)
As far as I can tell LCBO store staff are hired based on nepotism, not whiskey knowledge.
Re:Ontario unveils plan for government chain of marijuana st... by wolco on Friday September 08, 2017 @05:17PM (#15204041)
LCBO employees will not be knowledgable with pot. Ever try to have a conversation about wine with an employee they are not hired with that knowledge background.

The prices are very high compared to other areas that have freer access. Everything has a floor price that doesn't allow companies to sell for less than that amount.

Re:Ontario unveils plan for government chain of marijuana st... by JPKab on Friday September 08, 2017 @07:42PM (#15204774)
"They do a pretty decent job of it."

Compared to who? You have no frame of reference, because they have no competition. They could do a terrible job, and it wouldn't matter. They're a monopoly. They can do it as good or bad as they want, and you'll still go in and buy it.

Re:Ontario unveils plan for government chain of marijuana st... by markroseman on Friday September 08, 2017 @08:39PM (#15204965)
BC actually has both privately run and government run liquor stores.