Re:Americans Losing Faith in College Degrees, Poll Finds
by anovikov on Friday September 08, 2017 @01:33AM
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Well in stable market conditions, the tail of the group of people who get diplomas, ranged by their ROI, will get somewhat negative overall ROI. That's how it should be - i.e. most people - the smarter ones for who education makes sense, get positive ROI, and some relatively small group of people who can't really benefit from education but have fooled themselves into thinking they can, get zero or slightly negative ones. Then comes a group of people who clearly can't benefit and know it. The system reached a stable state - colleges get maximum number of clients they possibly can and get max revenue, it doesn't make sense for many more people to join in, and it doesn't make sense for many existing to stay if prices go further up.
As with oil production for example (see 'marginal barrel') people at the end of this tail don't really benefit, but the system in general is still good, most people benefit.
Re:Americans Losing Faith in College Degrees, Poll Finds
by vacri on Friday September 08, 2017 @01:03AM
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It's not that 'the poors were duped'. It's that until very recently, a piece of paper was a very effective salary multiplier.
Re:Americans Losing Faith in College Degrees, Poll Finds
by rxhernandez on Friday September 08, 2017 @01:15AM
(#15198028)
Define very recently and effective for whom. University of Phoenix has been around since 1976 and has been popular with people who didn't have the resources to get into traditional colleges since at least the late 90s. I think with nearly 17 years of success and probably millions of for profit alumni can safely be defined as duped.
Re:Americans Losing Faith in College Degrees, Poll Finds
by lsc on Friday September 08, 2017 @01:56AM
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I'm not saying anyone should go to the university of phoenix; there are better publicly subsidized options out today, but I do know a handful of people who were partly educated there, who did just fine.
Re:Americans Losing Faith in College Degrees, Poll Finds
by 90s-socal-kid on Friday September 08, 2017 @01:58AM
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I appreciate your comment. I've a few questions to help me understand your perspective.
Is the crux of the issue the fact that lower socioeconomic groups are less able to rebound from a financial impact? Or something more specific about targeting lower s.e. groups?
Re:Americans Losing Faith in College Degrees, Poll Finds
by Moshe_Silnorin on Friday September 08, 2017 @12:50AM
(#15197913)
Empathy breeds terrible policy.
Re:Americans Losing Faith in College Degrees, Poll Finds
by dang on Friday September 08, 2017 @01:12AM
(#15198013)
Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to HN?
Re:Americans Losing Faith in College Degrees, Poll Finds
by lovich on Friday September 08, 2017 @01:11AM
(#15198008)
If you don't have empathy then the best course of action for policy makers is whatever gets them the most power without getting kicked out of office. While current politics around the globe look more and more like they are following that path, let's not confuse what's actually happening with what is actually good
Re:Americans Losing Faith in College Degrees, Poll Finds
by pizza on Friday September 08, 2017 @01:16AM
(#15198033)
Is it consistent to want the best public policy for everyone, but also blame empathy for the creation of terrible policy?
Re:Americans Losing Faith in College Degrees, Poll Finds
by toomuchtodo on Friday September 08, 2017 @12:59AM
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Empathy and compassion are mandatory for sound policy.
Edit because of HN throttling: I haven't seen unsavory elected folks generate sound policy yet, so I'm sticking to my statement.
Re:Americans Losing Faith in College Degrees, Poll Finds
by icebraining on Friday September 08, 2017 @01:16AM
(#15198036)
Maybe just compassion: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2017/02/paul_bloom_on_e.htm...
Or let me put it another way. It's like a massive hurricane just ended and you said: "That's fine, that's how it should ideally be. The hurricane lost its energy for some reason that is intrinsic to hurricanes losing their energy."
I hope that this doesn't sound too emotionally charged as I have some very close friends that act robotically to just about everything.