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Re:Opioid Use Could Explain 20% of the Drop in American Men ... by syshum on Thursday September 07, 2017 @12:51PM (#15193613)
WOW there is a lot of incorrect crap in your comment.

Yes the US proscribes opiate based pain killers at a higher level then Socialized Medicine nations, mainly because American Patients do not accept the "live with the pain" treatment you get from Government run care where they refuse to provide pain killers unless you are screaming in pain, and even then they give you a Advil and tell you to "suck it up butter cup"

Screw that.

There are all kinds of people that cant not get the medication they have a legitimate medical need for because the these new crack downs on Opiate based pain killers, now these people are having to live with chronic pain because the doctor fear being sent to prison by the DEA, because the DEA knows more about medicine than a doctor does clearly

In your Hypothetical from Prescription to Heroin you blame the doctor, I blame the DEA. The artificial limits and constraints the DEA is placing on medical professionals is interfering with patient care, and causing some patients to turn on street drugs instead of proper medication

Contrary to what the DEA thinks, combating Drug abuse is not a police matter, it is a medical matter and should be left in the hand of medical doctors not the legal system

Re:Opioid Use Could Explain 20% of the Drop in American Men ... by DanBC on Thursday September 07, 2017 @01:12PM (#15193809)
You've made a few mistakes in this post.

The first, and perhaps most important, is that you think opioids are a suitable treatment for long term pain. They aren't. There is little evidence of efficacy of opioids for treatment of long term pain. Your suggestion - that we treat pain using opioids - i) doesn't treat pain, and ii) creates addicts.

More information here: https://www.fpm.ac.uk/faculty-of-pain-medicine/opioids-aware

> "live with the pain" treatment you get from Government run care where they refuse to provide pain killers unless you are screaming in pain

Quite clearly nonsense.

> The artificial limits

No, these are evidence based restrictions.

Re:Opioid Use Could Explain 20% of the Drop in American Men ... by syshum on Thursday September 07, 2017 @02:14PM (#15194378)
Umm, Number 1 in your link contradicts number 2, first they claim it is not helpful for long term relief, then go on to say it is helpful for long term relief.

Further in typical UK practice they claim it is not helpful but offer no alternative treatments, claiming it should be discontinued even if there are no alternative.

basically what I said "Suck it up buttercup" but they state it in a more PC and nanny government terminology

>Quite clearly nonsense.

hmmm

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Pain/Pages/Longtermpain.aspx

"You may also be referred for complementary therapy to see if that helps with the pain. You should be offered advice on how to better manage your pain on a day-to-day basis, such as by using self-help techniques."

Again, No pain Killer, just walk it off or deal with it. That is the UK policy on long term chronic Pain. Suck it up and learn to live with it.

>No, these are evidence based restrictions.

No infact they are not, not in the case of the DEA/US Drug Control Policy anyway

There is not a single drug control policy in the US that is "evidence based" most of is not even about the actual drugs, it is about power, control, money, and about 100 other things but not public safety or drugs

Re:Opioid Use Could Explain 20% of the Drop in American Men ... by DanBC on Thursday September 07, 2017 @04:08PM (#15195237)
> Further in typical UK practice they claim it is not helpful but offer no alternative treatments, claiming it should be discontinued even if there are no alternative.

Untrue.

https://www.nice.org.uk/search?q=pain

Re:Opioid Use Could Explain 20% of the Drop in American Men ... by mikestew on Thursday September 07, 2017 @01:19PM (#15193870)
WOW there is a lot of incorrect crap in your comment.

And yet, oddly, you frittered away the opportunity to identify even one piece of “incorrect crap” to instead go off on a rant about the DEA. At least I think that’s what you’re on about.

Re:Opioid Use Could Explain 20% of the Drop in American Men ... by syshum on Thursday September 07, 2017 @02:20PM (#15194426)
I address many points.

1. I addressed how the OP blamed the doctors as the source of people becoming addicted to herion, I believe that to be false

2. I address why in a few limited cases where person starts out on prescriptions and ends up on heroin they are likely there due to aggressive and unethical Drug Control Policy enforced by the DEA

3. The OP implied that Opaties are Over proscribed, i disagree. Further would like to know if the OP has ever suffered or know anyone to suffer from Chronic Plain, and if they would enjoy seeing their loved on suffer daily because of the Actions of the DEA.

You are correct it is a Rant ont eh DEA however, I am 1000000000% opposed to the war on drugs, I feel it is single largest source of freedom in the nation. it is directly lead to the erosion on almost all constitutional rights, has put doctors having to choose between what is best for themselves (i.e staying out of jail) and what is best for the patient (i.e proper pain medication) and has been an abject failure in reducing drug us.

Re:Opioid Use Could Explain 20% of the Drop in American Men ... by ZenoArrow on Thursday September 07, 2017 @05:27PM (#15195901)
> "1. I addressed how the OP blamed the doctors as the source of people becoming addicted to herion, I believe that to be false"

You believe based on what evidence? Have you done any research into this or is it just a 'gut feeling'? To put it another way, what do you find misleading about the following video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sf46cwK9oc

Re:Opioid Use Could Explain 20% of the Drop in American Men ... by mywittyname on Thursday September 07, 2017 @01:20PM (#15193872)
You can't tell someone they are not in pain. If they stub a toe and say their pain is a 10-out-of-10, then you take their word for it.