AFAIK, they offer migration from Hipchat to Stride https://confluence.atlassian.com/stride-documentation/upgrad...
> We'll move all of your teammates, rooms, files, custom emoticons, and message history over to Stride for you so your team won't miss a beat.
On a former team we were forced to use hipchat and their android client just nuked my battery. It was like night and day; remove the app and my battery lasts 24-30h; with it hipchat installed it would last 10 hours. This was a stock Nexus device btw.
I don't think Hipchat is a POS - it gets the job done - but it is lacking some features that I would consider to be fairly basic. (Why can't I edit messages except with the s// syntax? Why can't I do basic text formatting?)
I do agree with you on the lack of faith, though. Jira's text formatting is even worse than Hipchat's.
I only log into the site from a desktop browser. No point reading messages when I'm AFK anyway.
Additionally, they jacked up the prices on the Service Desk software users and changed who can do what at what prices.
All in all, I wouldn't choose Atlassian for any new installations/companies. I would definitely look elsewhere. And, I've been using their products since before FishEye was an Atlassian product (and they destroyed that product too).
This is why you hire dedicated Scrum Masters / PMO, and direct the PMOs to automate away what they can, as the domain becomes clearer.
Jira is actually really great for this because the REST API is so powerful, which can allow the PMOs to build systems which extract work from elsewhere, populate all the necessary fields which are repetitious and tedious for users to fill out, and then submit everything against the REST API and watch it all turn into issues.
When you start to understand that what Atlassian really did with Jira was build a powerful general UI abstraction over relational tables that even non-technical users can use, then you start to understand the sheer power of what's on the table.
> All of your rooms, teammates, files, custom emoticons and message history from HipChat Cloud will be in Stride waiting for you, just as you left it.
https://confluence.atlassian.com/stride-documentation/upgrad...
But I hear you on Atlassian seeming like they're abandoning things. I'm still waiting for them to fix Bitbucket's online editor which breaks when you try to edit files with different character encoding https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/13450/file-characte...
Are there any good options now?
Check list of items in confluence? Click and ... bam - tickets where you can track discussion, media, code, etc. Link back to the definition doc, and the doc has a status view of the ticket(s).
I've wondered if they've got some patent on this which has prevented other folks from replicating it. Or... is everyone else so focused on "disparate tools that talk to each other" that this tie in has never made it on anyone's radar?
If this was in redmine (for example) - having the wiki be aware of the ticket system - that would be great.
[1]: http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/RedmineTextForm...
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Specifically, allowing people who are primarily text driven to be reading a doc/wiki page, right click a sentence or phrase, then create an issue right from that screen, without leaving, and have them linked back and forth, is... seemingly obvious, yet I've not seen it done elsewhere. Someone else pointed out gitlab - I've not tried it there yet.
Disclaimer: I work for the Add-on developer
The creation of jira tickets from confluence already seemed useful enough for my use cases - not sure that I'd need a plugin to do more, but interesting to see that you've got something (and to know others want it).
My original post was pointing out that this wiki/ticket connection is something I've only ever seen in jira/confluence, not in anything else.
I didn't really have a major problem with JIRA, but we self hosted them on AWS, and the resource requirements of JIRA, Confluence, Fisheye etc. meant that we had to set up separate instances to stop them crashing all the time.
Phabricator gives us the same functionality as all the Atlassian tools I mentioned above, but on one virtual Digital Ocean $10/mo server. It is much more reliable, and has a better, much more integrated UI.
Faster too - MUCH faster. I can really tell when I go back to JIRA to log a bug and have to wait 5 to 10 seconds for a form to build itself and load.
There was no explicit performance tuning happening here, either. 1 instance of Jira talking to 1 instance of MySQL behind 1 instance of nginx on a modest VM.
I'm not doubting you, but this is a common enough complaint that I assume there's a footgun lying around that I've managed to luckily step over.
Before our company started using Confluence, our team ran a Dokuwiki server. FOSS, can hook into AD, many plugins and extensions available. Worth looking at... yes, it does have Markdown based editing, though it has a rich editor to assist.
EDIT: Apparently they have a WYSIWYG plugin. Haven't tested it.
Generally Markup works well for coders, but if they're non-coders it can sometimes be a challenge to get people using it I've found.
I dislike that it doesn't support MarkDown as a native language, but it does have a solid WYSIWYG.
I'd say Confluence is the best of their products and the one that I'd be most likely to use again in the future.
I've also used their CI solution at another company and I found that one easier to use than most of the other open source ones, although I haven't tried some of the newer ones in the last few years or GitLab's CI integration.
Linking between documents is super easy (as opposed to similar "low tech" solutions like Google Docs, Markdown files, etc), and features are sufficient for our use. Due to its simplicity, I find it one of the most exciting products recently. (Not affiliated whatsoever)
It can link me all over Wikipedia style as needed, but I want the manual to come with my $ git clone and not have to fart around in some other document repo.
You have been abandoning us on JIRA and Confluence as well. There are many features that are not available on our self-hosted versions even when fully upgraded. Your licensing and pricing terms get worse year after year even though essentially absolutely nothing useful (to us anyway) ever gets added.
We even use Trello a little here and there... I expect that to go south too.
Well, at least we have GitLab and soon Mattermost, both suitable for much of what we need, for free. Thank you for making our decisions easier.