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Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by S_A_P on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @02:10PM (#15177698)
Having just lived through Harvey, I cannot stress enough that if you are in a position to evacuate, please do so. We were lucky to narrowly escape flooding in our home, but for 3 days we had no water, septic or power(need power for the other 2). The flooding had us stuck in our neighborhood but we were able to kayak out to safety. In addition to high winds(which Houston fortunately avoided) flooding is very dangerous. Those in the path of Irma should expect both. Again please evacuate if you can.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by chiph on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @03:10PM (#15178207)
I was in Hugo in 1989 where I had no power for over a week (and was lucky). I totally agree. Residents in the Southeast should start preparing today while supplies are still in the stores. Board up your windows. Bring in outside lawn furniture and decorations so they don't become missiles. Go visit relatives or friends. If you can't leave (and you really should..) have water and shelf-stable food for a week (NOT bread, milk and steaks). Get your prescriptions refilled. Scan your insurance policy if you don't already have a PDF. Make a video with timestamp of your house and all your possessions.

The suggestions at https://www.ready.gov should be considered a starting point, as they assume that relief will arrive sooner than recent storms have proven.

EDIT: Get your off-site backup started so you'll have time to Fed-Ex it out of town. If you have a business, make sure your employees will be fine, then start your continuity plans. Which should include some cash to pay bills in case the power goes out (no ATMs, no card machines).

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by brightball on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @07:33PM (#15179954)
I still have a radar photo of Hugo somewhere. That storm was crazy.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by chiph on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @02:18PM (#15185868)
The naval base in Charleston had a barge on which they had built hotel rooms for people to live in while working on various projects. After Hugo went through, it was found 1.5 miles (2.4 km) inland. Not sure if they ever got it back in the water, or they just cut it up where it was found.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by CiPHPerCoder on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @07:58PM (#15180075)
Floridians, especially those who lived through Charlie, are usually very well-versed in hurricane preparedness. Especially if, like me, they are unable to evacuate. (If I were to even attempt it, it would likely leave me stranded on the road for days and risk being a sitting duck.)

That being said, I fully expect it to make landfall near where I live at category 5 strength, despite the current projections of "merely" a category 4 when it reaches us.

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by orbitur on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @09:58PM (#15180621)
Honest question: You'd be stranded if you left now?
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by CiPHPerCoder on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @10:14PM (#15180687)
The problem isn't just the hurricane, it's surviving the aftermath.

Let's look at the scenarios for evacuating the state.

If I leave now (without any vehicle to my name), I'd need to arrange for a car rental. Assuming any vehicles are even available to be driven out of the state, and they'd rent one to someone who is half-blind and doesn't have a driver's license, by the time I got into one, I'd be looking at several days of traffic jams and statewide gas shortages. The odds of being stuck on the road when the hurricane hits is too significant to ignore, and I'd rather be in a house than a car.

Then I would need a place to go. AirBNB, hotels, etc. are all expensive as hell, and probably saturated with evacuees.

Finally, I need to do all that while taking more time off of work than I am allowed to take every year, which calls two things into question:

  1. How will I pay for the evacuation and stay?
  2. Will I even have a job after all this? (I work remote.)
This isn't even considering the fact that I need to make a decision with 5 other adults (the people I live with, and care about the most, all of whom have decided to prepare and weather the storm).

Evacuation sounds good in theory, but honestly, it's not so simple.

In the off-chance that the storm kills me: Pragmatically speaking, I'm basically a nobody who has done practically nothing noteworthy, so no one outside my immediate circle of friends will care (if they even know). I encourage everyone in the path of the storm, all of whom probably matter to the community much more than I ever will, to make their own decisions and not follow my example.

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by lisper on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @10:21PM (#15180723)
> I'm basically a nobody who has done practically nothing noteworthy

You've done at least one noteworthy thing: you posted the above comment. I, for one, noticed.

Good luck to you.

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by nradov on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @11:17PM (#15180939)
This is one of the major downsides of living in a dense city without your own car and relying on the "transportation as a service" model. It works fine until it doesn't, and then you're screwed. The system is fragile with very little resiliency. (This is just a general comment, I don't mean it as a criticism of your personal choices.)
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by nate_meurer on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @02:33PM (#15186003)
Greetings fellow nobody :)

You'll be in my thoughts and prayers this week. Stay safe

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by lisper on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @06:24PM (#15187625)
Serious question: why don't you fly out? I just checked on Google Flights and there are seats out of Miami today for <$200. Even adding ground transportation on each end it seems to me you could get out of Dodge for <1k including temporary housing at the end. You're a software engineer, surely you can afford that?

[UPDATE:] Just saw this:

http://www.businessinsider.com/hurricane-irma-evacuation-jet...

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by CiPHPerCoder on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @09:35PM (#15188533)
It's a four hour drive to Miami from here.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by lisper on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @09:50PM (#15188584)
Ah. Where is "here"? Miami is not the only major airport in Florida. Orlando->Atlanta and Tampa->JFK are both available for $114.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by CiPHPerCoder on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @11:57PM (#15189046)
Northwest Cape Coral.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by lisper on Friday September 08, 2017 @05:46PM (#15204183)
Looks like your area is now in a "mandatory" evacuation zone. Are you still staying put?
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by CiPHPerCoder on Sunday September 10, 2017 @11:46PM (#15215754)
Yes, I stayed put. I'm also okay/alive/etc.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by lisper on Monday September 11, 2017 @01:42AM (#15216217)
Glad to hear it. When you're fully recovered let's chat about security some time.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by lisper on Thursday September 07, 2017 @01:46AM (#15189390)
Ah. I see the problem. Good luck. Please let us know how you fare.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by mjcl on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @12:21AM (#15181200)
For what it's worth, I hope you make it through with life, limb and property unscathed.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by wh-uws on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @06:32PM (#15187673)
upvoted for the info. Not the nobody part. Good luck to you
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by rdtsc on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @04:52PM (#15179017)
What do you think of city mayor's decision not to order a larger scale evacuation. NYT seems to think it was absolutely (their word) the right thing to do. Being on the ground there, would you agree?
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by jofer on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @06:27PM (#15179603)
The last time an evacuation was called for in Houston (Rita), over 100 people died trying to evacuate before the hurricane even hit. (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Rita#Evacuation_deat...)

In terms of life lost, evacuating would have been a disaster. You'd have had gridlocked interstates underwater.

Mayor Turner absolutely made the right call by not evacuating. Living in Houston, I'm probably a bit biased, but I find the criticism he's received for making the decision not to evacuate a bit absurd.

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by aseipp on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @11:44PM (#15181043)
Agreed. I live in Austin now, but I lived in Houston before this (Ike hit about a week after I moved to H-town, what a welcome party). Turner made absolutely the right decision. It was very unclear until very close to landfall how powerful it was going to really be (tropical storm -> Cat 4 in ~50 hours.) That isn't enough time. For ~4 million people, like a week isn't enough time...

If a panic had ensued from an evac order? Honestly, I believe thousands would have died from the roads flooding and being trapped in their cars. It would have been a living nightmare, more than it already was.

(Greg Abbott, on the other hand, did recommend evacuation. I can only assume he did this because his only purpose for existence is to be a gigantic piece of shit, and ruin people's lives in any way he can, but whatever.)

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by JshWright on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @06:49PM (#15179735)
Not in Houston, but have a fair amount of experience in emergency management.

The mayor of Houston picked the best of a number of bad options. Evacuating would have almost certainly resulted in several times the number of casualties. Harvey intensified very quickly, and by the time the threat was clear, it was too late to cut and run. You would have had freeways turned into parking lots, which would then be under 10' of water.

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by x0x0 on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @07:26PM (#15179909)
I am not from Houston, but what I read online was that the major highways are designed to serve as overflow drainage for the water. This is part of why in some places they were submerged nearly to the depth of the over-highway road signs. Thus in Houston in particular, they are the most dangerous place to be in a flood. Previous experience suggested it was highly likely people would get stuck on the highways in an evacuation.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by paul7986 on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @05:03PM (#15179109)
How do you evacuate 4 million people in a few days? Wouldn't they all clog up the roads and consume all the gasoline?

At first I thought he didn't make the right decision then history shows that a few weeks after Katrina another storm prompted an evacuation. Many more died then evacuating.

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by zxcvbnm885 on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @05:09PM (#15179146)
How about just evacuating the most vulnerable?
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by jofer on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @06:32PM (#15179635)
If you publicize that, tons of other people evacuate, and the interstate system quickly becomes gridlocked. It's counter-intuitive, but every study and disaster plan for Houston has consistently called for shelter-in-place over calls for evacuation from an official source.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by flukus on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @08:26PM (#15180197)
Evacuation does not have to mean leaving the city either. Evacuating the most vulnerable to a safe area is more like a peak hour traffic problem.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by astrodust on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @05:15PM (#15179184)
Some kind of classification system where people and/or households could be grouped together by urgency or sensitivity to calamities (e.g. diabetic, disabled, elderly) would make this process a lot more straightforward. If you're in group X you go at time Y, etc.

Not that this would ever fly in Texas where if the government tells you to do something it's just them interfering in your life.

Cuba has this down to a science. America has no clue what it's doing. The contrast is astounding.

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by Godel_unicode on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @05:55PM (#15179438)
Hn: privacy is the most important thing, the government is making lists and out to get you.

Also Hn: let's make a detailed enough list of the exact medical condition of every household in the country that we can evacuate everyone more than X vulnerable in a few days.

Unrelated: you're aware Cuba has roughly the population of NYC, right?

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by astrodust on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @06:39PM (#15179678)
HN is an odd mix of politics, that's for sure.

Cuba has a fairly large population and very limited resources which makes their system all the more impressive. Their system is worth studying, as if Cuba of all countries can do it, surely the US can: http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-lesson-for-the-us-cubas-respo...

> Cuba’s intersectoral preparedness and response to hurricanes, which include education, drilling and how the country’s relatively small civil defense force is deployed at provincial, municipal and local community levels when a storm is first detected.

The US response seems to be ignoring the experts, blaming the victims, and trying to profit from the resulting mess.

Though of course "can" in a technical sense and "can" in a political sense are worlds apart.

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by valarauca1 on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @05:40PM (#15179358)
The few historical evacuations of >1mil people have often been over the course of 7+days, as well as over very large areas.

The only _successful_ evacuation of a major metropolitan area (>3mil) in <1month was the khymer rogue. But as they were using brutal violence and took >20k causalities so it is hard to call that successful.

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by the_evacuator on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @06:56PM (#15179781)
I beg to differ. Exodus of ~1m people in about one day is frequently observed in Europe. It can't be done with cars, of course, because cars are not a means of mass transportation. It can be done easily with trains, though.

Example: Street Parade Zurich, attended by about a million people. Virtually all of those people arrive by train immediately before the event, and are gone the next day. Watching > 100k people pour out of a train station in less than an hour is really a spectacle. Remember that Zurich is not a huge city in the first place.

Example: Paris goes on holiday. All-but-literally everybody leaves Paris for summer holiday, pretty much simultaneously. You don't know what an urban evacuation means until you've witnessed this.

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by rainbowmverse on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @08:43PM (#15180276)
Moving a million people across town is different from getting them out of the path of a hurricane. Hurricanes are bigger than cities.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by dba7dba on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @10:00PM (#15180625)
Those 1 million people in Europe are going to their home.

I bet not even Europe or China can figure out how to suddenly house/feed a million people who had to evacuate from a city for a few days, or even overnight.

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by valarauca1 on Thursday September 07, 2017 @12:17PM (#15193189)
Okay this is idiotic.

Evacuation are very different from attending work, or attending a festival. Namely... You plan to return to your home/apartment/etc. and your belongs will still be present. There isn't the threat of death.

Furthermore Evacuations require moving people who often _don't_ have the ability to travel on their own. Rather by choice, or socio-economic pressures i.e.: poverty, or limited parking in city centers. Therefore attendance to work/events for these people is normally just walking a handful of blocks, or using public transit which become limited when dealing with evacuations.

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by r0fl on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @05:47PM (#15179389)
Evacuating is very difficult and dangerous.

This is a great read as to why:

https://np.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/6wcpt0/la_vita_bella_n...

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by chrisco255 on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @06:34PM (#15179644)
Not if you're in Florida and leave today. Plenty of time to get out of harm's way. Florida orders evacuations routinely for hurricanes.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by martin1975 on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @06:50PM (#15179741)
To add - evacuation doesn't have to mean go hundreds of miles... I lived in FL for 7+ years, if I was really worried, I'd just travel more inland. Typically hurricanes of any strength rapidly degrade as soon as you cut the legs from underneath them, meaning, they travel over land.. I'd say about 50 miles inland, you'd get a badass storm, but not hurricane strength winds...
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by mcast on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @09:20PM (#15180470)
The governor has suspended all tolls in Florida as well to alleviate traffic onto toll roads and turnpikes and off interstate highways.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by agumonkey on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @02:47PM (#15178021)
I wonder how flat is the houston area. West indies are often volcanic islands. Meaning the high ground will probably be "safe" from flood, the lower parts on the other hands.. Somehow they're a bit used to storms so they're not going full noob on this.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by triangleman on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @04:01PM (#15178622)
You're thinking of Cuba, who are certainly not noobs at this [1]. West Indies unfortunately are routinely decimated by tropical storms. For instance Hugo in 1989 destroyed almost everything in St. Croix, US Virgin Islands, leading to widespread lawlessness until President Bush deployed troops there [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba_Emergency_Response_System

[2] http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/hawkeye.htm

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by cvsh on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @04:27PM (#15178828)
>You're thinking of Cuba, who are certainly not noobs at this. West Indies unfortunately are routinely decimated by tropical storms.

This isn't really true anymore. For example, 95% of homes on St. Martin were destroyed by Hurricane Luis in 1995, because everyone lived in wooden houses. From that point on, the law mandated concrete buildings, and now all but the very poorest people live in houses impervious to hurricanes.

The exceptions are places like Haiti, where folks are simply too poor to afford basic hurricane mitigation. But where people can prepare, they have prepared.

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by mchristen on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @04:20PM (#15178779)
Store owners guarding their stores from the roof w/ AK-47s will do that.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by wandererer on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @03:05PM (#15178173)
Houston is some of the flattest land you'll find in the states, but at least we're not quite below sea level.

I'm from Austin, and have lived in Tokyo, and I used to joke while in Tokyo you'd go stir-crazy missing trees and greenery, despite the large parks there; in Houston you go crazy missing hills and topography if you're used to it.

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by agumonkey on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @03:15PM (#15178257)
Heh, I remember coming back from Martinique, I landed in Paris, and while we were driving I was a bit lost, there were no up and downs anymore; everything was sooo flat.
Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by smelendez on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @04:04PM (#15178653)
Yeah, I saw the British Virgin Islands evacuated Anegada (which is a flat coral atoll), sending people to Tortola and Virgin Gorda (both quite hilly).

http://www.bviddm.com/emergency-arrangements-for-anegada/

Re:Category 5 Hurricane Irma Brings 180-MPH Winds to Bear on... by Shivetya on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @06:52PM (#15179753)
cannot be too flat, have family friends who were high and dry but they didn't have far to go to find flood waters. Interestingly enough Houston didn't suffer flooding problems due to bad zoning, it has more absorbent surface coverage than most cities including some in similar positions relative to the sea.

Suffering a stalled storm is not what you can really plan for. the water simply had no where to go.