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Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by quickben on Sunday September 03, 2017 @10:43AM (#15161647)
Nature of things unfortunately.

I did my internship at Nortel. A decade later and having worked from small shops to IBM and beyond, nothing comes close to the quality of people/code that I saw at Nortel.

From another perspective:

It is up to you to carry the torch now.

Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by AndyMcConachie on Sunday September 03, 2017 @11:09AM (#15161802)
Software gets shittier because speed of development and time to market continues to outweigh any reason for quality. Code written 20-30 years ago almost always looks cleaner to me than the code I'm working on today :(

What is the incentive for quality?

Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by kstrauser on Sunday September 03, 2017 @11:19AM (#15161851)
Be careful of the large selection bias there: you're looking at the 20-30 year old code good enough not to have been replaced 18-28 years ago.
Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by Shaanie on Sunday September 03, 2017 @03:38PM (#15163397)
Survivorship bias, to be precise.
Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by nitrogen on Sunday September 03, 2017 @05:24PM (#15164013)
So what's a good example of the code of today that will survive the next 30 years?
Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by dredmorbius on Sunday September 03, 2017 @09:26PM (#15165003)
Get back to me ... in 30 years.
Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by pcwalton on Sunday September 03, 2017 @06:51PM (#15164426)
> Code written 20-30 years ago almost always looks cleaner to me than the code I'm working on today :(

You aren't looking at the average workaday C program from that era. I guarantee you that OpenSSL, for example, does not look cleaner than code of today.

Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by quickben on Sunday September 03, 2017 @11:57AM (#15162097)
No incentive beyond personal satisfaction these days. Most people write and jump ship, which is so sad.
Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by zaphar on Sunday September 03, 2017 @03:08PM (#15163219)
Many people don't have the luxury of write and jump ship. The vast majority of my career was not greenfield development. It has almost all been maintaining pre-existing software. Some of which is more than a decade old.

The challenging part of us in the software maintenance job is to balance a need to refactor with a need to add features. It colors your opinion about a lot of things. You start to evaluate methodologies, technologies, frameworks, and even library choices by their impact on long term maintainability.

I frequently find myself at odds with a primarily greenfield developer in tool choice because I'm looking forward into the future and it doesn't look pretty.

Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by fgonzag on Sunday September 03, 2017 @07:05PM (#15164482)
Greenfield developers look at me funny when I say we should just use Spring or .net for new projects. I actually have to maintain my projects for years, and I've been burnt many times before.
Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by BuckRogers on Monday September 04, 2017 @11:07AM (#15168726)
+1 for industrial-strength solutions.

I came to the same conclusion and for most projects there's not really a lot of good choices there outside of those two.

Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by astrodust on Sunday September 03, 2017 @02:01PM (#15162826)
Nortel was an unbelievable loss. To this day you still see Nortel phones in every corner of the world. If they hadn't over-extended themselves they'd probably still be on top of that market.

Even more disappointing was that RIM/Blackberry had every opportunity to take that mantle (business/enterprise IP telephony) and didn't even try.