Hardening the Kernel in Android Oreo

Re:Hardening the Kernel in Android Oreo by pjmlp on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @04:50PM (#15135883)

Nice set of features, that the majority of Android users will only get in a few years.

Maybe we should start making bets if Android Oreo be able to beat Nougat and be above 13.5% next year this time around.

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Re:Hardening the Kernel in Android Oreo by limeblack on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @04:55PM (#15135925)

You probably know this but because of project Treble for future versions after Android Oreo will probably be adopted more quickly. It is unlikely for Oreo to do much better then Nougat then from what I have read.

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Re:Hardening the Kernel in Android Oreo by pjmlp on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @05:09PM (#15136063)

Anyone beliveing that project Treble will change anything should listen to the ADB Podcast about it.

http://androidbackstage.blogspot.de/2017/08/episode-75-proje...

Key points:

1 - Google will keep on allowing OEMs to customize Android

2 - OEMs will keep being responsible for delivering updates

3 - OEMs are advised to push fixes upstream and provide updates

Given that they are just advised, and not required to act accordingly, do you want to bet how many will provide Treble updates instead of selling new handsets?

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Re:Hardening the Kernel in Android Oreo by sigmar on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @05:39PM (#15136274)

You are dead on. The problem is incentives. There is no technical solution to solve the issue of OEMs not wanting to spend time/resources on updating older phones.

Treble will help out LineageOS, CopperheadOS, and XDA devs. But it won't improve the update cycles for OEMs when their business (ie profit aims) pressures them to limit development resources to new phones.

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Re:Hardening the Kernel in Android Oreo by bingobob on Thursday August 31, 2017 @03:00AM (#15138660)

but wouldn't treble allow for there custom Android to be updated across there fleet of devices where currently each product has to get its custom build with drivers etc.

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Re:Hardening the Kernel in Android Oreo by limeblack on Thursday August 31, 2017 @12:26PM (#15141421)

Yes this is how I interpreted it but I'm sure the other people here probably know much more which leads me to believe that must not be the case.

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Re:Hardening the Kernel in Android Oreo by limeblack on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @05:28PM (#15136197)

That's not what this top comment says https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15066729 at least that's how I interpreted it.

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Re:Hardening the Kernel in Android Oreo by pjmlp on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @05:31PM (#15136229)

Listen to the podcast.

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Re:Hardening the Kernel in Android Oreo by haikuginger on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @05:34PM (#15136251)

Which iteration of "project that will definitely reduce Android device fragmentation and ensure that all capable devices will get the new software version as soon as possible" are we on at this point?

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Re:Hardening the Kernel in Android Oreo by zanny on Wednesday August 30, 2017 @08:17PM (#15137202)

Is it the one where vendors are upstreaming their drivers to Linux mainline, properly supporting them in tree, and users are able to audit and trust their phones for the first time ever?

Because that is the actual answer. Everything else is a compromise trying to please vendors who are only trying to exploit users for profit through planned obsolescence and withholding knowledge of how their devices work.

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